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Old 08-19-2017, 08:53 AM
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Default Weapons used on Mary?

I was told recently that a meat clever was found at the scene of Mary's murder, and was much later confirmed to have been used on her. Struggling to find any confirmation of this. Can anyone confirm or refute this please?
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A press report from 1891 said that the axe on display at the Black Museum belonged to MJK's killer, but it was actually used by Henry Wainwright to murder his mistress in 1874. I believe that's what you're referring to.

Incidentally, Nick Warren, editor of Ripperana magazine and a surgeon, detected the use of a hatchet to split MJK's left thighbone.
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Old 08-19-2017, 09:23 AM
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Incidentally, Nick Warren, editor of Ripperana magazine and a surgeon, detected the use of a hatchet to split MJK's left thighbone.

Wouldn't most working class homes have a small axe in the house to chop firewood for the fire?

In the Glasgow tenement where I grew up, we certainly had a small axe which was used to chop those larger pieces of firewood into smaller pieces.

Does anyone know whether in fact this would be the case in whitechapel of the 1880's?
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Old 08-19-2017, 09:45 AM
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Incidentally, Nick Warren, editor of Ripperana magazine and a surgeon, detected the use of a hatchet to split MJK's left thighbone.
Except MJK's left thighbone wasn't split, nor was the other one for that matter. It's a modern myth based on a misinterpretation of the MJK3 photograph.
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I'm always visually confused by this, Kelly's left calf in MJK2, and I wonder if anyone has an opinion:

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The left calf showed a long gash through skin & tissues to the deep muscles & reaching from the knee to 5 ins above the ankle.
So is that what we're seeing in the photo? I used to think that part of the bedsheet had been pulled over her calf, because in terms of tone and texture the area above the jagged edge of skin looks contiguous with the bedsheet.

Am I right in assuming that real situation is as depicted below? And that the area coloured green represents exposed tissue? If so, why is it not darker? The exposed tissue everywhere else on the photo is considerably darker. Can anyone help explain what we're seeing?

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I'm always visually confused by this, Kelly's left calf in MJK2
Actually, Henry, that's her calf and knee. It's her kneecap at extreme right.
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Am I right in assuming that.. the area coloured green represents exposed tissue?
The bit shaded in green is a part of the wrinkled bedsheet, Henry.
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Actually, Henry, that's her calf and knee. It's her kneecap at extreme right.
Yes, I didn't mention the knee, but my assumption is that the knee is usually to be found somewhere just north of the calf.

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The bit shaded in green is a part of the wrinkled bedsheet, Henry.
Now that's exactly what I'd always thought, Sam, but that leaves me wondering what the hell is going on with her calf? Are you saying that the long gash just removed the tissue that should be there? If that's just rumpled bedsheet (and it sure looks like it) then where is her gastrocnemius muscle?

And no blood at all?

(I'm starting to sound like one of those conspiracy kooks who think it's a waxwork, mentioning no names...)

That's weird.

Visually weird.

Is this the consensus view?
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I can see that the photo across the pelvis to the bedside table does seem to suggest excision of that tissue, not merely a 'gash' - if only it included just a little more.
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Very nice, Simon, thank you sir.

I wondered if I might tempt you out to play!

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