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Old 08-17-2017, 04:09 AM
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Default What Would It Take To Convince You?

Following on from a discussion I had with a colleague a couple of weeks ago, what evidence would you need to be convinced that 'Suspect X' was indeed the person (or persons) known as Jack The Ripper?

As a follow on question, do any of you believe that any of the missing material/files/evidence is ever likely to resurface?
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Old 08-18-2017, 07:10 PM
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For me, if a small tin was found hidden for 130 years in the home of someone connected to the murders (suspect, witness, reporter etc) that contained the shrivelled up remains of human organs, that matched those removed by JtR, along with say newspaper clippings or something similar, then that would be circumstantial evidence enough for me. A couple of knives with human blood would also help. Especially if any DNA was discoverable from that blood, and possible to be linked to any of the victims ancestors.

That said, I would consider it a minor miracle if during a house renovation, someone actually found such a tin – but it’s not completely outside the realms of possibility.
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Old 08-18-2017, 09:06 PM
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Given the size of the material held at the National Archives I wouldn't be surprised if there are documents incorrectly/not catalogued that relate to JTR.

I have carried out research at the NA for my own family, admittingly before the 19c, and have found things that are not indexed on a catalogue search.

How one would go about finding any missing entries?......I wouldn't even hazard a guess

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Old 08-18-2017, 09:17 PM
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Following on from a discussion I had with a colleague a couple of weeks ago, what evidence would you need to be convinced that 'Suspect X' was indeed the person (or persons) known as Jack The Ripper?

As a follow on question, do any of you believe that any of the missing material/files/evidence is ever likely to resurface?
I'm not sure what would persuade me and guess it would depend on a it of factors

Will more material surface, let's just say I wouldnt be suprised.
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It would be a lot easier to think of evidence that would convince that someone was NOT jtr.
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Old 08-19-2017, 12:01 AM
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It would be a lot easier to think of evidence that would convince that someone was NOT jtr.
No need to think of evidence. There is already in the public domain a wealth of evidence which rules out many of those on the long list of suspects. Its a pity many researchers wont accept that fact when peddling the same old ones continually.

Time and time again we see the word suspect used. But in reality the majority are not suspects, at `best` they are nothing more than persons of interest.and there is a big difference.

For information purposes the term `prime suspect` was not first used until the mid 1900`s. That being said why are many of the persons that in my opinion are nothing more than persons of interest being categorised as prime suspects?

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Old 08-19-2017, 02:26 AM
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I diary written by the ripper where he admits.....oops

Maybe a genuine letter from one senior police officer to another where they actually say who the ripper was and give the reasons why it was important that they kept it quiet (protecting Druitt family for eg.)
At this distance of time I think that we have to admit the overwhelming likelihood that the rippers identity won't be revealed. This leaves us with the task of evaluating the 'mentioned' suspects almost by a process of 'box-ticking.' Some believe that they already know who he was and that's fine by me as long as they are honest enough to say that they can't be 100% sure.
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I diary written by the ripper where he admits.....oops

Maybe a genuine letter from one senior police officer to another where they actually say who the ripper was and give the reasons why it was important that they kept it quiet (protecting Druitt family for eg.).
That is never going to happen because the police did not have any clues as to the real identity of the killer or killers. A number of senior police officers are quoted as confirming this fact years later, in either their memoirs or in newspaper interviews.

Unless of course if you believe that Anderson was honest, and could not possible tell lies, and that Donald Swanson penned all of the Swanson marginalia. Or that all the missing files and records did state who the killer or killers were.

Since studying all the above, I have started to beleive in fairy stories

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For me we would need a series of communications between senior officers, medical staff or the Government in which all sides accepted x was the killer and the reasons for this view.
Even that would probably be open to argument And debate.

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That is never going to happen because the police did not have any clues as to the real identity of the killer or killers. A number of senior police officers are quoted as confirming this fact years later, in either their memoirs or in newspaper interviews.

Unless of course if you believe that Anderson was honest, and could not possible tell lies, and that Donald Swanson penned all of the Swanson marginalia. Or that all the missing files and records did state who the killer or killers were.

Since studying all the above, I have started to beleive in fairy stories

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Trevor,
Your view and you are entitled to it. However because some officers said they had no idea, it does not mean that was the actual position.
There were more than Anderson and Swanson who said the killer was probably known. Even if they did not supply a name.


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