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You're trying too hard to obfuscate.

Just take a quick look in Sugden and then again in Marriott. Much quicker, very much clearer, not in the slightest motivated by Sugden or Marriott's personal disbelief in the journal. Compelling stuff.
I've seen your take on the GSG, so we know for a fact that you will find an FM wherever you want one. A splash of blood is an M. A non-existent F is an F, and if you're really desperate, and my god how desperate this is, a capital B in a copper's transcription will also be read as an FM left by Maybrick.
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This is beautiful - this is exactly what I have just accused you of doing and you can't see it! You literally can't see it - wonderful!
Sarcastic, and ad-hominem again.
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"... one would expect the 'F' to be as visible ...".
Yes, one would. It's called physics.
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Sam Flynn (and others) might expect the 'F' to be as visible, but Sam Flynn was not in Kelly's room in 1888. What Sam Flynn expects to happen is determined by Sam Flynn's worldview.
Kelly's room was different? What was so different about Kelly's room that altered the laws of nature to such an extent that an "F" would have to be drawn differently, and exhibit different properties there?

This has nothing to do with my "worldview" - which I take to be an implicit accusation of bias on my part, cheers! - but plenty to do with my experience of painting, drawing, writing. If you can't extrapolate from your own experience of such things, I suggest you experiment and find out for yourself, rather than scornfully dismissing others' considered, and thoroughly thought-out opinions as the products of bias. They are nothing of the kind.
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And, so as to make another point, here is the relevant portion from the version of MJK1 published in Farson's book, where something like an "FM" can, in fact, be seen:

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The key point is that the illusory "FM" is more apparent in the grainier, noisier version of the photograph, MJK1, which was used in Ripper books from 1972 onwards. In contrast, there is no "FM" apparent in the better-quality MJK2 image which was discovered, but not yet widely published (if at all), in 1988.
A clear case of pareidolia "The imagined perception of a pattern or meaning where it does not actually exist

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A clear case of pareidolia "The imagined perception of a pattern or meaning where it does not actually exist

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We know what pareidolia means, Trevor, but thanks anyway.
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We know what pareidolia means, Trevor, but thanks anyway.
Knowing what it means, and recognizing when you're doing it, are evidently two different things.

Oops - apparently we're not allowed to ascribe it to pareidolia. Ike has spoken.
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Knowing what it means, and recognizing when you're doing it, are evidently two different things.

Oops - apparently we're not allowed to ascribe it to pareidolia. Ike has spoken.
You might just be starting to get with the programme here, Hen.
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Hey Sammy Flynn,

If the journal could have been penned between 1972 and 1986, how on earth did those post-1987 revelations wind their mysterious ways into it? I'm thinking 'tin match box empty' and 'no heart no heart' in particular.

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If that word really is too long or too foreign for you, I have some shorter ones you could use.
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If that word really is too long or too foreign for you, I have some shorter ones you could use.
Honestly, Hen, whatever you can do to help.
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If the journal could have been penned between 1972 and 1986, how on earth did those post-1987 revelations wind their mysterious ways into it? I'm thinking 'tin match box empty' and 'no heart no heart' in particular.
Did I set an upper limit of 1986 on the diary? I think not. All I've said is that I can't see its having been written earlier than 1972, and probably later. I see that you've narrowed it down still further - for which relief, many thanks.
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