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Old 08-13-2017, 07:28 AM
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So calling me "******* crazy" isn't slander, then? (PS I think you mean libel).

Do you call all the male historians "******* crazy" when they want the true facts and not lies to be podcasted?
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Old 08-13-2017, 07:29 AM
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I don't actually have to explain anything 'Helena'.

No more responses from me. I'm not playing.

A shame as I would have liked to have read your book had I known about it (and I'm an amateur Ripperologist still working my way through the numerous works) but that seems unlikely now.

I'm sorry if you think I've done this to propagate lies. I didn't. I wrote my own understanding of the case and have never said it was gospel. In fact, I even state that there will be errors as I'm very new. No one is discrediting your work and anyone who is a serious student of Chapman - and my audience were not - will have already have read your book.
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Old 08-13-2017, 07:35 AM
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anyone who is a serious student of Chapman - and my audience were not - will have already have read your book.
So you are saying the podcast was for people who haven't read my book, and therefore would not know you were giving the wrong info? And that's OK because they don't know the facts?

I put a huge amount of work into researching Chapman's life and I think that gives me the right to point out when info is being broadcast that is incorrect.

To respond to this by swearing at me and calling me names, or saying "Right, I will now NEVER read your book -- so there"" is childish in the extreme.
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Old 08-13-2017, 07:40 AM
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So calling me "******* crazy" isn't slander, then? (PS I think you mean libel).

Do you call all the male historians "******* crazy" when they want the true facts and not lies to be podcasted?
Absolutely correct Helena. I remember tbis from my law degree days-seems like eons ago now. Slander is spoken, whereas libel is defamatory comments made in permanent form.
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I haven't sworn at you. I haven't called you names. I didn't print lies because I had no idea about you or your book. I won't be reading your book because I'm not a massive fan about being publically attacked for being an amateur.

I have nothing to explain so I'm opting out. Happy to close my account here too if that helps. I'll just walk my own Ripper path.
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Old 08-13-2017, 07:41 AM
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To respond to this by swearing at me and calling me names, or saying "Right, I will now NEVER read your book -- so there"" is childish in the extreme.
You accused me of having a sexist prejudice, as you accuse everyone whom you feel has intentionally, personally slighted you when most of the time you're imagining things. Sometimes you accuse people of much worse. Its incredibly bizarre behavior. I'm through responding to you.

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Old 08-13-2017, 07:56 AM
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Why would anyone now want to listen to any of your podcasts when you have publicly announced that:

accuracy doesn't matter

correct facts don't matter

getting names right doesn't matter

And that your attitude to authors and historians who think it does is that they can f___ off?

I'm signing off, disgusted at the "I don't-care-what-the-facts-are" attitude.
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Old 08-13-2017, 08:03 AM
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Why would anyone now want to listen to any of your podcasts when you have publicly announced that:

accuracy doesn't matter

correct facts don't matter

getting names right doesn't matter

And that your attitude to authors and historians who think it does is that they can f___ off?

I'm signing off, disgusted at the "I don't-care-what-the-facts-are" attitude.
Of course I haven't announced any of those four things. I have repeatedly stated that we produced an audio show of a blog that the author himself admits in the introduction, and a few places elsewhere, might contain some errors. And those that accuse me of being a sexist can f-uck off.

Bye bye,

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Old 08-13-2017, 08:12 AM
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I haven't sworn at you. I haven't called you names. I didn't print lies because I had no idea about you or your book. I won't be reading your book because I'm not a massive fan about being publically attacked for being an amateur.

I have nothing to explain so I'm opting out. Happy to close my account here too if that helps. I'll just walk my own Ripper path.
karl,
sure there were mistakes, such was freely admitted was it not.

it was clear the series was aimed at those looking to get a grounding in the issues, its said several times in part 10.

so one Author is upset, it happens. don't leave the site over this please.


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Old 08-13-2017, 08:37 AM
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I haven't sworn at you. I haven't called you names. I didn't print lies because I had no idea about you or your book. I won't be reading your book because I'm not a massive fan about being publically attacked for being an amateur.

I have nothing to explain so I'm opting out. Happy to close my account here too if that helps. I'll just walk my own Ripper path.
I second what Steve has said. Please don't leave the sure over this. And your perfectly entitled to voice your opinions, and of course you can't be expected to have read every book on the subject.
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