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Old 04-21-2017, 09:01 AM
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That's why he's called BS Man.
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Lipski could be perceived as an insult or threat in itself, so perhaps that was all was needed.
That's what we've been led to believe, but I've never been particularly convinced by the suggestion. I still feel that the name on its own, minus an "Eff off" or whatever, seems rather underpowered. Perhaps there was an "Eff off" originally, and it got lost in the telling.
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Indeed Sam, but in the cases of Chapman and Eddowes, the man is aware he is being observed.
I'm not so sure, Jon. Mrs Long seems to have walked into Hanbury Street and saw him already talking with Annie, likewise Lawende and co appear to have caught Eddowes and her man in mid-conversation. In either case, I don't get the impression that the killer suddenly changed into a smoothie just because he realised he'd been seen.
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I'm not so sure, Jon. Mrs Long seems to have walked into Hanbury Street and saw him already talking with Annie, likewise Lawende and co appear to have caught Eddowes and her man in mid-conversation. In either case, I don't get the impression that the killer suddenly changed into a smoothie just because he realised he'd been seen.
what difference does it make what the victim and suspect were doing when they were spotted. Bs man, sailor man, Longs man all became suspects or persons of interest anyway.

the point is the killer didn't seem to care if hed been seen with the victim, no matter what he was doing with them, as long as the witnesses didn't know him.

and besides, as Jon correctly pointed out, BS man didn't realize he had been spotted until after he started assaulting stride.
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That's what we've been led to believe, but I've never been particularly convinced by the suggestion. I still feel that the name on its own, minus an "Eff off" or whatever, seems rather underpowered. Perhaps there was an "Eff off" originally, and it got lost in the telling.
actually the more I think about it yelling just lipski in those circumstances seems more reasonable than just yelling Lizzie. especially since lipski is a powerful insult word. and why do you just yell the persons name-Lizzie- in a fight or argument? that to me makes no sense.

but of course Lipski is what the witness heard so obviously it couldn't be that.

good grief.
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That's why he's called BS Man.
I knew that was coming.LOL!
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This comparative with Mrs Long and Annie has to end. Cadosches statement, IF true, is almost certifiable evidence that the soft cry after the "thud" was Annie. That happened around 10 minutes before Long saw someone.

Its not realistic, considering the extent of the effort expelled eviscerating Annie, to assume that it took less than 20-30 minutes.
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This comparative with Mrs Long and Annie has to end. Cadosches statement, IF true, is almost certifiable evidence that the soft cry after the "thud" was Annie. That happened around 10 minutes before Long saw someone.

Its not realistic, considering the extent of the effort expelled eviscerating Annie, to assume that it took less than 20-30 minutes.
Erm, didn't Dr Phillips give a figure of 15 minutes?
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Church Pasage Man still went on to kill Eddowes after been seen by 3 men, and Annie Chapman`s killer still went on to kill Chapman despite Mrs Long witnessing him approaching a victim.
Yes Jon, but the individuals you sight were not witnessing a crime in progress as opposed to Schwartz and Pipe Man. So really how much attention would they be paying to a particular person on the street? Also, it would be a reasonable assumption on the part of the B.S. man that Schwartz and/or Pipe Man had run off to find the nearest PC. Why stick around at that point to commit a murder?

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"Now I see why you've stayed interested all this time, reads like a interesting fiction. The silent invisible threats."

Hello Michael,

I have no idea of what you mean by the above. Threats? To whom?

It would seem to me that if the whole Liz/B.S. man encounter took under five minutes (which seems reasonable) and if Fanny was not at her door during those five minutes then she could have missed it.

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