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Old 01-10-2017, 04:18 PM
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If it were a brothel, I can't think of a better place to find prostitutes, if that's what the killer was after.
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Quite possibly. Does it matter? Does it get us any closer to solving the Ripper murders?
Yes of course it matters, It would mean that the resident's witness statements might not be reliable. If Mcarthy and his 'assistant' were involved in the goings (possibly pimping) on then they would have incriminated themselves by explaining everything that happened that night and the fact that they were the first on the scene would start to be more suspicious.
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It wasn't a brothel, though Mccarthy could have been a purveyor of a few of the women there. I believe there were 3 known prostitutes at the Court, maybe 4. I can't recall. Also, I don't believe that it is known why Barnett lost his job. In the inquiry as in the papers, it doesn't say.

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Yes of course it matters, It would mean that the resident's witness statements might not be reliable. If Mcarthy and his 'assistant' were involved in the goings (possibly pimping) on then they would have incriminated themselves by explaining everything that happened that night and the fact that they were the first on the scene would start to be more suspicious.
Fair point although I don't believe knowing wether it was or wasn't a brothel gets us any closer to knowing who Jack was.
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Fair point although I don't believe knowing wether it was or wasn't a brothel gets us any closer to knowing who Jack was.
It may or may not help getting any closer to who jack was but if we can conclude if millers court was a brothel then it would through a whole new light on the last murder (in my opinion).

Even if it doesn't get us any closer to finding out who jack was, If millers court was a brothel/pick-up place then its an interesting fact surrounding the case no one has really spoke about.

Not every thread's purpose is to solve the murder, casebook is a place where you can discuss anything about the case/places/people that you find interesting. Clearly others find this an interesting topic as its created a good discussion.
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It wasn't a brothel, though Mccarthy could have been a purveyor of a few of the women there. I believe there were 3 known prostitutes at the Court, maybe 4. I can't recall. Also, I don't believe that it is known why Barnett lost his job. In the inquiry as in the papers, it doesn't say.

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There was more than 3 or 4 prostitutes at millers court, the ones we know for certain are Mary Kelly, Elizabeth Prater, Maria Harvey, Mary Ann Cox, Julia Venturney. We know Mary let other girls stay with her too. The other women around there had 'morally suspect' jobs such as flower sellers and such.
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Even one of the prostitutes stated that on the night of Mary's murder she waited at the entrance of millers court for a man.
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Given the large number of prostitutes in Whitechapel there were probably a number of places like Millers Court which were not necessarily brothels but contained one or more women plying their trade.

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It may or may not help getting any closer to who jack was but if we can conclude if millers court was a brothel then it would through a whole new light on the last murder (in my opinion).

Even if it doesn't get us any closer to finding out who jack was, If millers court was a brothel/pick-up place then its an interesting fact surrounding the case no one has really spoke about.

Not every thread's purpose is to solve the murder, casebook is a place where you can discuss anything about the case/places/people that you find interesting. Clearly others find this an interesting topic as its created a good discussion.
I never said every threads purpose was to solve the crime. Nor that it wasn't an interesting discussion.
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I never said every threads purpose was to solve the crime. Nor that it wasn't an interesting discussion.
I know you didnt. The point you were making was knowing wether it was or wasn't a brothel doesnt get us any closer to knowing who Jack was. While that might be true, I was just saying identifying Jack wasnt the point of the thread. The point was to discuss this particular topic surrounding the case.
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