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Old 04-15-2012, 07:10 PM
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Hi Bridewell

Isn't it the point though that McNaghten isn't from a police background...he always looks to me more like a politician than a policeman...and you know what that means...

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Old 04-15-2012, 08:04 PM
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Hello Mac.

"The fella's running round stabbing people in the street! Dunno about you but I'd be more than slightly disappointed in the event someone stabbed me, and not exactly prone to empathy. I'd be thinking: "yeah, that's pretty vicious"."

Well, given the target, I'd think him a bit of a clown.

"Never really understood the idea that a potential suspect who stabbed someone in the street is less likely to have been Jack."

Hard for me to answer this, as I don't believe in Jack. I suppose the theorists think that he was cunning and secretive. But Cutbush was neither.

"I suppose it comes down to what you think of Jack and his motivations."

Right. Not to mention whether you believe there was a Jack or not.

"Me: I think he was a cunning, wild, opportunist operating on instinct rather than some controlled, skilled woman slayer operating within the realms of reason."

I wonder whether such a chap would have eluded the police for long?

"Cutbush would fit my view of Jack pretty well."

Very well. So says AP Wolf.

"I think Jack simply loved cutting people up with a knife - no great mystery - and that wouldn't rule him out of stabbing someone outside the WMs in the event he was in that sort of mood."

I see. Well, sort of.

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Old 04-15-2012, 11:25 PM
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Hello Lynn,

I wonder whether such a chap would have eluded the police for long?

Why not? As long as he didn't get caught red handed he's long gone by the time the police undertake their search. And his escape suggests he was a nimble, fleet of foot character.
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Old 04-15-2012, 11:31 PM
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Hello Mac. Well, I was thinking about your "wild" adjective.

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Hi Bridewell

Isn't it the point though that McNaghten isn't from a police background...he always looks to me more like a politician than a policeman...and you know what that means...

Dave
Hi Dave,

Such dishonourable activity may be more likely in a politician - but it's still dishonourable. The Druitt's shame would have been nothing compared with Macnaghten's, had he been caught doing what is alleged.

I know where Jonathan is coming from, but I can't relate to the logic attributed to MacNaghten which argues, in effect, that the best way to remove suspicion from someone who wasn't suspected is to say that he was and, thereby, (which is what has since happened) create suspicion where none previously existed. I don't see why he would write the Memoranda to clear a man who is only suspected at all by virtue of the Memoranda's existence.

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Old 04-16-2012, 01:53 AM
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I know where Jonathan is coming from, but I can't relate to the logic attributed to MacNaghten which argues, in effect, that the best way to remove suspicion from someone who wasn't suspected is to say that he was and, thereby, (which is what has since happened) create suspicion where none previously existed. I don't see why he would write the Memoranda to clear a man who is only suspected at all by virtue of the Memoranda's existence.
Hi Bridewell...but it is said that the very best lies are when someone tells you the exact truth, but in such a fashion that nobody will believe it...

All the best

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Old 04-16-2012, 02:07 AM
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Hello Dave. In which case there are many exact truths to be found attached to the case.

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Old 04-16-2012, 02:20 AM
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You are probably quite right Lynn...but if the lies are well enough presented, how could you ever tell?

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Old 04-18-2012, 02:16 PM
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On the other site another example of Mac's charming duplicity; of shaping the data to fit the specific audience.

http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=14729

Notice how it is claimed that the true identity of the Ripper will allegedly perish with him?

As if ... only he knows at Scoltand Yard? What if other significant police figures outlive Macnaghten?

After all, don't they know the secret too?
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:52 PM
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Hello Dave. Excellent question. Once a lie is presented, it casts a shadow on all else.

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