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Old 04-14-2012, 01:25 AM
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I'm seeking opinions in this thread, more than hard facts. I haven't done any walking or jogging in years, so I'd appreciate some feedback from those who do. In the case of Emma Smith, we have Margaret Hames seeing her on the corner of Farrant and Burdett Road in the Limehouse district at approximately 12:15am. Smith is with a man, almost certainly a potential client. Smith claimed later that at approximately 1:30am she was attacked by the men near 10 Brick Lane, approximately two miles away by my (amateur) calculations. I'm also quite aware that neither Hames nor Smith would have had time pieces on them, rendering their estimates less than dependable, but that is why I'm asking this question.

We can assume that Smith didn't take off for home right after Hames past her, or else she would have caught up with her. Let's give her 10 minutes to service her last client and be on her way. That would leave us with Smith departing from Farrant Street at approx. 12:25am.

Here's my question: Is it reasonable to suppose that a 45 year old inebriated woman, walking in the dark, could have covered 2 miles in 65 minutes?

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I don't think serious walkers or joggers are going to be of much help, Smith was neither.
You need an opinion from a drinker but how many drinkers today walk further than their car?

Seriously, ...2 miles in 1 hour? is not impossible, thats about all that can be safely determined.

How drunk was she? how much did it slow her down?
You need a drinker who walks two miles after a night on the ale..

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Hi Tom

Shtone cold shober I can do between 4 and 5 mph and I'm in my late 50s and (hic) I've a f'her, oh shih, heart condition...

Now elephants I shpose it depends on if I'm walkin shtrate or not...but if I'm "goodnight old ****" shober, I'd guess 2 miles in an hour is a piece of piss (shorry cake)....

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Old 04-14-2012, 02:30 AM
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Hi Dave, better put a security code on your computer, it seems Jeff Leahy has hijacked it!

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Well, my mom (who's in her late 60s) and I made 1 mile in about half an hour walking from a beach to another town on a country road in Greece last fall, and neither of us was drunk. :-) I was walking slow enough to accommodate her, and in my perception she's a real slow walker.

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I'm seeking opinions in this thread, more than hard facts. I haven't done any walking or jogging in years, so I'd appreciate some feedback from those who do. In the case of Emma Smith, we have Margaret Hames seeing her on the corner of Farrant and Burdett Road in the Limehouse district at approximately 12:15am. Smith is with a man, almost certainly a potential client. Smith claimed later that at approximately 1:30am she was attacked by the men near 10 Brick Lane, approximately two miles away by my (amateur) calculations. I'm also quite aware that neither Hames nor Smith would have had time pieces on them, rendering their estimates less than dependable, but that is why I'm asking this question.

We can assume that Smith didn't take off for home right after Hames past her, or else she would have caught up with her. Let's give her 10 minutes to service her last client and be on her way. That would leave us with Smith departing from Farrant Street at approx. 12:25am.

Here's my question: Is it reasonable to suppose that a 45 year old inebriated woman, walking in the dark, could have covered 2 miles in 65 minutes?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott
Tom,
I think London then was virtually a 24 hour city and that between Limehouse and Whitechapel there would have been trams along the main highway.I know trams were being put in in Commercial Street at that time.
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Hi Nats, that's a new one on me.

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Hi All,

Dependent on their route, London trams started running between 7.00 and 8.00 am, and continued throughout the day until between 10.30 and 11.45pm.

The Commercial Street tramway was opened on 15th November 1888.

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Thanks Simon---they definitely had cabs of course---and the omnibus-but maybe the omnibus stopped when the trams stopped-unless they had a night one like today's night buses!
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