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Old 04-10-2012, 05:48 AM
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Sorry Phil but the Wicker Man and I are in rare concord, just on this aspect.

I stand by what I wrote before about cautioning as to whether secondary sources can know more than primary ones on this issue -- plus Tabram was never claimed by Mac to be one of Druitt's murders.
Hello Jonathan.

i am aware we will always agree to differ re Druitt, but apart from your very well worked out psychological theory, there isnt even a sniff of proof that Druitt ever even travelled into Whitechapel, and certainly not at the times of the murders. He is known however, to be far away in one case, a few hours later in Blackheath.. Unless more comes to light (and as you know Ive tried to find more corroberration to Macnaughten's words), then as it stands there just isnt enough for me-and others besides.

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And that's fair enough, Phil.

I am just using the known timeline, 30 hours, to counter-argue that you did not need 'wings' to get to a cricket match in Dorset -- and that I agree with the Wickermench that Druitt may have been setting up a quasi-alibi; to get away from the East End as far as possible, with witnesses.

But I appreciate that you need a lot more than just Macnaghten's dodgy word, and have I not at least shown just how diabolically dodgy a source the affable smoothie can be?
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Hello Jonathan,

Thanks for the AS stats- my apologies re Nichols date- mixed it up with 30th Sept.

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Hello Jonathan,

Indeed-dodgy- and there is one thing we DO agree upon. We have NOT been told the complete truth. No?


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No, nothing like the complete truth but the essential truth is provided by Macnaghten in 'Laying the Ghost of Jack the Ripper' (1914)

The Ripper was a Gentile Englishman, a 'Simon Pure' who imploded at some point after the 'awful glut' of the Kelly murder and took his own life -- though not the same night or morning. A sexual, violent yet high-functioning maniac who could appear perfectly normal: 'Protean'. Mac only discovered his identity from information -- 'certain facts' -- received years after the Miller's Ct. murder, all other subsequent 'Jack' murders turning out to be by unknown others. The gentleman had never been 'detained' in a madhouse, nor had he been a lodger, nor was he ever really sighted by anybody -- but the spiteful graffiti (blaming a trio of Jews) was definitely by him. He lived with his own people -- are they family, friends or not related? -- but was 'absented' from them to go to Whitechapel and commit the crimes. The police never learned of his identity whilst alive, in fact were fruitlessly chasing a shadow until Mac 'laid' his 'ghost' to rest.

If you accept Macnaghten as a reliable source, and of course there are arguments against doing so, then it is arguably not a mystery.
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Hi Roy, thanks for that very interesting grid. But I don't see Mr. Birch and Packer being in the same neighborhood? Birch was a witness following Nichols, and Packer following Stride. I'd find it odd the two would be together in order to witness a suspect, and would agree on the identification. Do you happen to know Mr. Birch's residence? Was it close to Packer?

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P.S. What's the significance of The Old Rose? Also, I see James Street on your map. For some reason that's ringing a bell.
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Hi Phil

Monty was an all-rounder because he killed all round the east end.

Was it ever discovered what kind of bowler he was? Presumably if he was a quickie he could expect a shorter career than if he was a spinner.
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Monty was an all-rounder because he killed all round the east end.

Was it ever discovered what kind of bowler he was? Presumably if he was a quickie he could expect a shorter career than if he was a spinner.
Hello Robert,

i cant say with certainty, as he opened the bowling, was first change and even 3rd change- but going by some of the figures Id guess medium quick.

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Thanks Phil. I suppose for those who claim that he may have been depressed at his poor form/approaching end of career, he could always have planned to become an umpire.
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Hello Robert,

just think him and Geoff Boycott out in the middle- or even better- in the commentary box!

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