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Old 03-26-2012, 01:25 AM
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Hello Bunny. Yes, sentence has already been passed.

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My only hope is that all this dating the pic past 1890 means it's thought to be a fake, rather than it's supposedly MJK after 1888, alive and well....and some other poor girl butchered in her place.
Hi Debs.

Just to clarify, I don't think the photo's a "fake", I just haven't seen enough evidence at this point to be convinced it's the same Mary Jane Kelly we are all seeking. I would love for it to be her in a pre-1888 photo!! It would be nice to have a very different photo to remember her by than the dreadful crime scene photos we are all familiar with. My initial impressions are that it's a few years to late too really be her, but I could be mistaken.

I'm sure the family in touch with Chris honestly feels (or fears) that it's really her, and I'm grateful than they have shared even a portion of their family history and their old photographs with us.

I am thoroughly convinced that "our" Mary Kelly died a very cruel and horrific death in November 1888. I wish she didn't; I wish nobody did.

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Hi Debs.

Just to clarify, I don't think the photo's a "fake", I just haven't seen enough evidence at this point to be convinced it's the same Mary Jane Kelly we are all seeking. I would love for it to be her in a pre-1888 photo!! It would be nice to have a very different photo to remember her by than the dreadful crime scene photos we are all familiar with. My initial impressions are that it's a few years to late too really be her, but I could be mistaken.

I'm sure the family in touch with Chris honestly feels (or fears) that it's really her, and I'm grateful than they have shared even a portion of their family history and their old photographs with us.

I am thoroughly convinced that "our" Mary Kelly died a very cruel and horrific death in November 1888. I wish she didn't; I wish nobody did.

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As anyone who has read my book on Kelly will know I am as convinced as one can be that the woman who died in Room 13 Millers Court was one and the same as the woman who had lived there in the preceding months and had been known to her neighbours, friends and lover as Mary Jane Kelly.
If the image that has been sent to me can be positively shown to postdate 1888 then to me it will be the death knell for its provenance and authenticity as a photo in life of Mary Kelly.
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I didn't mean you, Chris. I meant I hoped that was not the story the family would be proposing. We have had it before, for example with the Tottenham Mary Kelly.
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Sorry Debs
That wasn't a reply to your point nor did I think you meant me:-)
It was a general point that I personally do not subscribe to any of the Kelly survival stories
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:29 PM
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Hi,
The only person in a position to even make a personal judgement is Chris. without giving anything away , I must ask him the obvious.
'In your opinion when you look at the picture , can you see in your minds eye any possible resemblance to MJK, hair length, possible build, attractiveness?
From a personal point of view what is your gut feeling.
I find it frustrating, its a bit like having a picture of Jack himself with no face.
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One point is, the photograph could be wrong but the genealogical relationship could be right.
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Richard
I appreciate your frustration
The hair is hard to judge because of the voluminous hat but I would guess that the hair had been gathered up under the hat.
The face itself I would describe as attractive rather than beautiful.
The most striking feature, in my opinion, are the eyes which are dark and wide.
I am probably just judging from what I hope the picture is but the overwhelming mood of the face I would describe as a wistful sadness.
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Richard
I appreciate your frustration
The hair is hard to judge because of the voluminous hat but I would guess that the hair had been gathered up under the hat.
The face itself I would describe as attractive rather than beautiful.
The most striking feature, in my opinion, are the eyes which are dark and wide.
I am probably just judging from what I hope the picture is but the overwhelming mood of the face I would describe as a wistful sadness.
Chris

A shot in a million. When you mentioned her eyes I was immediately reminded of Barnett's testimony of identifying the body through Kelly's eyes and ears. Can you see her ears in the picture? Any distinguishing traits such as excess cartilage or an unusual fold?
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