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  • #76
    Maybe she was going to or from nearby Whitechapel station trying to pick a client up, or to find somewhere within the building to sleep for the night. Could you enter/exit the station from nearby Winthrop St ?
    Last edited by Darryl Kenyon; 08-22-2017, 09:26 AM. Reason: Adding to post

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    • #77
      [QUOTE=Elamarna;426644]

      I agree Pierre,

      It is just a possible reason why Nichols was in Bucks Row. The Question in the thread.
      According to that report the POLICE believed it was a place where prostitutes went. That does not mean they are correct of course, only that they believed it to be so.
      And this means the area was an area where there would be an expectancy of finding that specific type of woman.

      And that means that the area was important for the killer.

      It seems that night at least Nichols was working, and a reason why she may have ended up in Bucks Row.
      And whatever she was doing there, in that particular street, she was out in the streets at night in Whitechapel.

      One has to say that the tendency shown by Mrs Green, which basically amounts to her saying this is a nice street, no women working round here, motive to make the area appear better, can be seen as being just a tad over the top.
      That is a very good source critical analysis. You point to the tendency and explain it with the motive. In this case you think as an historian.

      Given the comment in the report, it cannot be ruled out that she took someone there has it was a placed used for such activity. However it's not something I would spend too much time debating.
      Yes, and I agree with you, it is not something to spend time on debating. It is irrelevant what she did. The relevant question is what type of woman she was. The killer only had to see her to understand that.

      On your final point, who knows? You obviously think you do, I await details patiently.

      Steve
      Yes, but it is easy to see what the killer saw. You only have to look at pictures of that type of woman from the time period, or read about them in the newspapers from the time, and you will see what he saw.

      This type of woman was not everywhere and not as frequent anywhere as in Whitechapel. In Whitechapel there was a high chance of finding this type of woman. It was actually guaranteed.

      Pierre

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      • #78
        [QUOTE=Pierre;426646]
        Originally posted by Elamarna View Post



        And this means the area was an area where there would be an expectancy of finding that specific type of woman.

        And that means that the area was important for the killer.



        And whatever she was doing there, in that particular street, she was out in the streets at night in Whitechapel.



        That is a very good source critical analysis. You point to the tendency and explain it with the motive. In this case you think as an historian.



        Yes, and I agree with you, it is not something to spend time on debating. It is irrelevant what she did. The relevant question is what type of woman she was. The killer only had to see her to understand that.



        Yes, but it is easy to see what the killer saw. You only have to look at pictures of that type of woman from the time period, or read about them in the newspapers from the time, and you will see what he saw.

        This type of woman was not everywhere and not as frequent anywhere as in Whitechapel. In Whitechapel there was a high chance of finding this type of woman. It was actually guaranteed.

        Pierre

        Straying off topic, that does not tell us why he sought this type of women?
        If he sought a particular type of women, what was the significance of this type? What was his motive?

        Steve

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        • #79
          Hi All,

          There was access from Winthrop Street to Bucks Row via Brown's Yard.

          Polly Nichols was found in Bucks Row outside the gates of Brown's Yard.

          The gates to Brown's Yard opened inwards.

          Regards,

          Simon
          Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
            Hi All,

            There was access from Winthrop Street to Bucks Row via Brown's Yard.

            Polly Nichols was found in Bucks Row outside the gates of Brown's Yard.

            The gates to Brown's Yard opened inwards.

            Regards,

            Simon
            Hi Simon,

            Was there access from Brown's Yard into the 'Stores' on Winthrop Street?

            Gary

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            • #81
              Hi Gary,

              The 'Stores' were part of Brown's Yard.

              It's something worth bearing in mind.

              That's all.

              Regards,

              Simon
              Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                Hi Gary,

                The 'Stores' were part of Brown's Yard.

                It's something worth bearing in mind.

                That's all.

                Regards,

                Simon
                Thanks, Simon. I wasn't aware that was the case.

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                • #83
                  [QUOTE=Elamarna;426647]
                  Originally posted by Pierre View Post

                  Straying off topic, that does not tell us why he sought this type of women?
                  If he sought a particular type of women, what was the significance of this type? What was his motive?

                  Steve
                  All of the victims belong to this type, with or without being part of a history of crime.

                  Pierre

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                  • #84
                    Hi Pierre,

                    We have been told repeatedly that "all of the victims belong to this type," that they were a certain type of woman.

                    But it doesn't necessarily mean it's true.

                    Regards,

                    Simon
                    Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                    • #85
                      How can we know that the fact they they were prositutes wasn't the main reason he targeted them? Why couldn't he have been 'down on whores...?' We surely can't be 100% certain of his motive?
                      Regards

                      Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                      “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                        Hi Pierre,

                        We have been told repeatedly that "all of the victims belong to this type," that they were a certain type of woman.

                        But it doesn't necessarily mean it's true.

                        Regards,

                        Simon
                        Hi Simon,

                        That's because it's not true.

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                        • #87
                          Hi All,

                          None of the police recognised any the C5 as known prostitutes [although Walter Dew claimed to have known Kelly].

                          And none of the C5 had rap sheets for soliciting.

                          Let's start there.

                          Regards,

                          Simon
                          Last edited by Simon Wood; 08-22-2017, 11:57 AM. Reason: spolling mistook
                          Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                            Hi All,

                            None of the police recognised any the C5 as known prostitutes [although Walter Dew claimed to have known Kelly].

                            And none of the C5 had rap sheets for soliciting.

                            Let's start there.

                            Regards,

                            Simon
                            I agree.

                            Pierre

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                            • #89
                              I assume then that Annie Chapman was in a strange back yard in the wee small hours discussing the architecture?
                              Or Polly Nichols saying that she was going to get her doss money in the early hours meant that she was off to a cash machine?
                              Or Stride, if memory serves, being registered as a prostitute in Sweden. Why would she change her habits when living in a cess-pit like Whitechapel?
                              Surely it's obvious that these women, along with thousands of others earned money from prostitution out of sheer desperation?
                              Even if they weren't (or only resorted to prostitution at the they're lowest ebb) the fact that they were out, possibly drunk, in the early hours might lead a killer who hated prostitutes to assume that they were.
                              Regards

                              Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                              “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                              • #90
                                [QUOTE=Pierre;426658]
                                Originally posted by Elamarna View Post

                                All of the victims belong to this type, with or without being part of a history of crime.

                                Pierre
                                That is not the question I asked you Piere.

                                Why was this type of woman significant to the killer?


                                Steve

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