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  • What does it mean when they say a thigh and some human flesh? perhaps debs knows?

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    • Originally posted by jerryd View Post
      If you don't know me by know Abby, I have about 40,000 suspects depending on the day. lol

      Richard Lawrence was working on the site with Wildbore. He put Wildbores tools away on Saturday and took them back out on Monday morning. He is described by Wilbore as "my laborer". He is the man on Tuesday morning that Wildbore supposedly lit a match and showed the parcel to and then they both went away thinking it was nothing. I feel they could be in cahoots. Both lived in the Battersea area in 1888.
      OK thanks!
      "Is all that we see or seem
      but a dream within a dream?"

      -Edgar Allan Poe


      "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
      quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

      -Frederick G. Abberline

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      • Originally posted by RockySullivan View Post
        Abby what thread have you been reading? Lawrence is the other worker who was in the vault on wildbore
        I have a bad memory and a little slow on the uptake
        "Is all that we see or seem
        but a dream within a dream?"

        -Edgar Allan Poe


        "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
        quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

        -Frederick G. Abberline

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        • Abby,

          I posted this on a different thread awhile back. Even in the day, they thought two men might be responsible. This article also seems to include Jack in on the deed.

          The Echo September 16, 1889

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          • Originally posted by jerryd View Post
            Abby,

            I posted this on a different thread awhile back. Even in the day, they thought two men might be responsible. This article also seems to include Jack in on the deed.

            The Echo September 16, 1889

            Interesting Jerry
            Have you looked into whether wildbore/Lawrence have any connection to the ripper murders?
            "Is all that we see or seem
            but a dream within a dream?"

            -Edgar Allan Poe


            "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
            quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

            -Frederick G. Abberline

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            • Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
              Interesting Jerry
              Have you looked into whether wildbore/Lawrence have any connection to the ripper murders?
              Other than a Dr. Samuel Wildbore living at 1, Backchurch Lane in the 1860's, I haven't found a connection to Whitechapel yet. Dr. Wildbore had a son born in 1860 named Frederick Wildbore, believe it or not, that died the same year (1860).

              I am currently looking into Wildbore's employer, John Grover & Sons, and whether they were doing work in Whitechapel in 1888 other than the new police building. I know in the past J.Grover had a deal wharf in the docks not too far from Pinchin Street.

              I've mentioned this before, Gary Barnett found that both men (Wildbore and Lawrence) had fathers that committed suicide. Wildbore's when he was very young. I wanna say when he was about 8 years old. He then went to live with his fathers twin brother, Michael.
              Last edited by jerryd; 11-15-2017, 01:42 PM.

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              • Jerry i know we've been I've this before but what was the address the pc was asked to knock up? In forgotten vjctims it says there suspicion this was used to distract pc. I wonder how close the address was to schwartz in ellen

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                • Originally posted by RockySullivan View Post
                  Jerry i know we've been I've this before but what was the address the pc was asked to knock up? In forgotten vjctims it says there suspicion this was used to distract pc. I wonder how close the address was to schwartz in ellen
                  The address was in Ellen Place, matter of fact. I believe his name was, Jeremiah Hurley.
                  Last edited by jerryd; 11-15-2017, 02:12 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by jerryd View Post
                    The address was in Ellen Place, matter of fact. I believe his name was, Jeremiah Hurley.
                    Very interesting. I think there might be something there. Thank you

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                    • On the topic of how one may or may not be sufficiently convinced about something on circumstantial evidence to say that it is enough for making a definitive call, it is interesting to read professor David Wilsons identification of serial killer Peter Tobin as "Bible John":

                      EXCLUSIVE: BRITAIN'S top serial killer expert today reveals the explosive evidence which has convinced him that serial killer Peter Tobin IS dance hall fiend Bible John.


                      Wilson says:

                      "I didn't set out to prove Tobin was Bible John but I would stake my professional reputation on it."

                      and it is said that "The criminologist accepts there may never be definitive proof that Tobin is the infamous serial killer but he added: ´I am as convinced as it's able to be. As far as I am concerned the case is closed´"

                      Wilson primarily bases his take on things on how Tobin expressed himself in a conversation, and on how he has used an alias that closely resembles a name that was given by "Bible John" back in the sixties.

                      I think Wilson may very well be right, and I would stretch myself to a verdict of him very probably being correct.

                      I would, however, say that I think that Wilsons case is not as good as the case for a shared identity between the Ripper and the Torso killer is. There is physical evidence in the latter case of a very specific character that is lacking in the Tobin/Bible John comparison.

                      It is nice to know that people who are very high-ranking in terms of knowledge of serial killers are prepared to make calls like these on circumstantial evidence. And I for one would not say "So much for objectivity" - I would say that the accusation Wilson makes is a very objective one, grounded in existing evidence of a very poignant character, and I would add that this is precisely how cold cases can be solved: by looking closely at the detials of the crimes, and identifying parameters that are, as Abby puts it, above and beyond resonable doubt.

                      And od course, what Wilson says is what I say too, but instead about the shared identity of the Ripper and the Torso killer: I am as convinced as it´s able to be, and as far as I´m concerned it´s case closed.
                      Last edited by Fisherman; 11-16-2017, 01:51 AM.

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                      • Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                        On the topic of how one may or may not be sufficiently convinced about something on circumstantial evidence to say that it is enough for making a definitive call, it is interesting to read professor David Wilsons identification of serial killer Peter Tobin as "Bible John":

                        EXCLUSIVE: BRITAIN'S top serial killer expert today reveals the explosive evidence which has convinced him that serial killer Peter Tobin IS dance hall fiend Bible John.


                        Wilson says:

                        "I didn't set out to prove Tobin was Bible John but I would stake my professional reputation on it."

                        and it is said that "The criminologist accepts there may never be definitive proof that Tobin is the infamous serial killer but he added: ´I am as convinced as it's able to be. As far as I am concerned the case is closed´"

                        Wilson primarily bases his take on things on how Tobin expressed himself in a conversation, and on how he has used an alias that closely resembles a name that was given by "Bible John" back in the sixties.

                        I think Wilson may very well be right, and I would stretch myself to a verdict of him very probably being correct.

                        I would, however, say that I think that Wilsons case is not as good as the case for a shared identity between the Ripper and the Torso killer is. There is physical evidence in the latter case of a very specific character that is lacking in the Tobin/Bible John comparison.

                        It is nice to know that people who are very high-ranking in terms of knowledge of serial killers are prepared to make calls like these on circumstantial evidence. And I for one would not say "So much for objectivity" - I would say that the accusation Wilson makes is a very objective one, grounded in existing evidence of a very poignant character, and I would add that this is precisely how cold cases can be solved: by looking closely at the detials of the crimes, and identifying parameters that are, as Abby puts it, above and beyond resonable doubt.

                        And od course, what Wilson says is what I say too, but instead about the shared identity of the Ripper and the Torso killer: I am as convinced as it´s able to be, and as far as I´m concerned it´s case closed.
                        tobin cant be Bible John, because the majority of his victims were found in a different location than the bible john series! ; )
                        "Is all that we see or seem
                        but a dream within a dream?"

                        -Edgar Allan Poe


                        "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                        quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                        -Frederick G. Abberline

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                        • Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
                          tobin cant be Bible John, because the majority of his victims were found in a different location than the bible john series! ; )
                          Sod it - has anybody told Wilson...?

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                          • how much was schwartz paid for his story to the star?

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                            • Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
                              tobin cant be Bible John, because the majority of his victims were found in a different location than the bible john series! ; )
                              Great invention, the car.
                              Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                              "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                              • Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                                Great invention, the car.
                                great invention, the cart
                                "Is all that we see or seem
                                but a dream within a dream?"

                                -Edgar Allan Poe


                                "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                                quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                                -Frederick G. Abberline

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