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    As promised, here is the first part of a list of Scots Guards who were born in Wales between 1850 and 1870 and serving in 1888, as far as is known.
    There are more names to come but please feel free to post any interesting research on any of them along the way. I have not looked at any of these men beyond picking them out from the index.

    First name(s): Thomas DALTON
    Calculated year of birth: 1868
    Parish of birth: Cwmbran
    Town of birth: Newport
    County of birth: Monmouthshire
    Age at attestation: 18 years 7 months
    Attestation date: 5 February 1886
    Attestation corps: Scots Guards
    Attestation soldier number: 7085

    First name(s): Frederick BEEDLES
    Calculated year of birth: 1852
    Parish of birth: Berriew
    Town of birth: Montgomery
    County of birth: Montgomeryshire
    Age at attestation: 18 years
    Attestation date: 5 September 1870
    Discharge rank: Private
    Discharge corps: Scots Guards
    Discharge soldier number: 2470

    First name(s): Edward DAVIES
    Calculated year of birth: 1858
    Parish of birth: Llandrinio
    Town of birth: Oswestry
    County of birth: Montgomeryshire
    Age at attestation: 20 years 1 months
    Attestation date: 10 July 1878
    Attestation corps: Scots Guards
    Attestation soldier number: 4565

    First name(s): John DAVIES
    Calculated year of birth: 1868
    Parish of birth: Denbigh
    Town of birth: Denbigh
    County of birth: Denbighshire
    Age at attestation: 19 years 4 months
    Attestation date: 5 September 1887
    Attestation corps: Scots Guards
    Attestation soldier number: 7761

    First name(s): Thomas DREW
    Calculated year of birth: 1865
    Parish of birth: Monmouth Cap
    Town of birth: Abergavenny
    County of birth: Monmouthshire
    Age at attestation: 19 years 1 months
    Attestation date: 30 June 1884
    Attestation corps: Scots Guards
    Attestation soldier number: 6442

    First name(s): John HARRIES
    Calculated year of birth: 1863
    Parish of birth: Trediga
    Town of birth: Trediga
    County of birth: Monmouthshire
    Age at attestation: 21 years
    Attestation date: 7 July 1884
    Attestation corps: Scots Guards
    Attestation soldier number: 6454

    First name(s): William HUGHES
    Calculated year of birth: 1860
    Parish of birth: Trewern
    Town of birth: Welshpool
    County of birth: Montgomeryshire
    Age at attestation: 18 years
    Attestation date: 24 June 1878
    Attestation corps: Scots Guards
    Attestation soldier number: 4549

    First name(s): William HUGHES
    Calculated year of birth: 1867
    Parish of birth: Middletown
    Town of birth: Welshpool
    County of birth: Montgomeryshire
    Age at attestation: 22 years 2 months
    Attestation date: 20 May 1889
    Attestation corps: Scots Guards
    Attestation soldier number: 8250

  • #2
    direction

    Hello Debs. Splendid. Now we have some good direction for further research.

    Cheers.
    LC

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    • #3
      Davies

      Hello Debs. Just found an Edward Davies from Llandrinio. Looks like he was a boot maker in 1881. Can one be discharged in 3 years?

      Cheers.
      LC

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      • #4
        Edward Davies

        Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
        Hello Debs. Just found an Edward Davies from Llandrinio. Looks like he was a boot maker in 1881. Can one be discharged in 3 years?

        Cheers.
        LC
        Hi Lynn,

        Interesting that you too latched on to Edward Davies as the stand-out name. Might Johnto have been, not a brother, but a brother-in-law?

        Regards, Bridewell.
        I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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        • #5
          Hi Debra & Lynn

          I'll see what I can find out about Dalton & post what I find - if anything. We can work our way through the list between us, I guess?

          Regards, Bridewell.
          I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
            Hello Debs. Just found an Edward Davies from Llandrinio. Looks like he was a boot maker in 1881. Can one be discharged in 3 years?

            Cheers.
            LC
            Hi Lynn.
            I just checked his full file and Edward was still serving in 1890. His occupation is given as Gentleman's servant. His father's name was Richard Davies, addressgiven as Llandrinio and his wife's name is given as Sarah Davies, she was living at 20 Hunts North Terrace, London.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bridewell View Post
              Hi Debra & Lynn

              I'll see what I can find out about Dalton & post what I find - if anything. We can work our way through the list between us, I guess?

              Regards, Bridewell.
              Hi Bridewell, that will be great, thanks.

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              • #8
                Thomas Dalton:
                born 3rd quarter of 1867 in Llantarnam, Monmouthshire
                1871:
                Lived on Foundry Row with:
                Father: James Dalton Widower, "Coaker"? (sic) born Ireland
                Nicholas 19 (can't read occupation)
                Mary Ann 16 (too old to be MJK???)
                James 9
                William 7
                Thomas himself 4
                Margaret 11

                I have a slight query as to why Margaret, aged 11, is last on the list when the other children are in descending order of age. Out of favour? I'm having difficulty in finding the family in 1881, but will post if I find them. Update: I can find a Thomas Daulton, but the father's name is now Nicholas, not James, so I don't see how it can be the same family. Any thoughts?

                Regards, Bridewell.
                Last edited by Bridewell; 05-05-2012, 05:06 PM.
                I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                • #9
                  Hi Debs

                  I think Sarah Davies must have been living at Huntsworth Terrace, St Matthew, St Marylebone - can't find any other likely addresses...

                  Dave

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                  • #10
                    Well done guys, this is splendid stuff. I have been following this, and allied threads with real interest, and although I have no time right now, I will help out tomorrow and do a bit of poking around.

                    I stated somewhere else on one of these threads that I am certain MJK is Welsh, with Irish origins, so I think this is where we will find her origins.

                    The Daltons living on Foundry Row is a great find, and one worth investigating.
                    I don't think that Mary Ann is to old to be considered a possible MJK - it would put her in her early 30s when she was murdered, which is not beyond the realms of possibility, despite what she may have told other people.
                    Possible reasons that Margaret is out of sequence is that the census taker may have made a mistake, the one answering the questions may have misunderstood what was meant, or she may not 'belong' that family - perhaps visiting, or lived next door. Nothing to get worried about IMO.
                    Last edited by DrHopper; 05-05-2012, 05:58 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Debs
                      many thanks for this info - appreciated
                      Chris S

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                      • #12
                        Ha!
                        Just had a brief glance at Llantarnam and a look at Foundry Row - and found this



                        The mention of both Kelly and Davies living on the same row (albeit decades later), and the connection to iron working, really ring some bells...

                        I suggest that this is an area in which we perhaps should be concentrating our efforts!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bridewell View Post
                          Thomas Dalton:
                          born 3rd quarter of 1867 in Llantarnam, Monmouthshire
                          1871:
                          Lived on Foundry Row with:
                          Father: James Dalton Widower, "Coaker"? (sic) born Ireland
                          Nicholas 19 (can't read occupation)
                          Mary Ann 16 (too old to be MJK???)
                          James 9
                          William 7
                          Thomas himself 4
                          Margaret 11

                          I have a slight query as to why Margaret, aged 11, is last on the list when the other children are in descending order of age. Out of favour? I'm having difficulty in finding the family in 1881, but will post if I find them. Update: I can find a Thomas Daulton, but the father's name is now Nicholas, not James, so I don't see how it can be the same family. Any thoughts?

                          Regards, Bridewell.
                          These are the details given for Dalton's next of kin in his file. It looks like you have identified the correct family in 1871, anyhow.

                          father James Dalton 2 Waterloo Cottage Cwmbrayn Newport Monmouthshire South Wales
                          brother (older) James Dalton
                          brother (older) William Dalton serving in ??Artillery

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cogidubnus View Post
                            Hi Debs

                            I think Sarah Davies must have been living at Huntsworth Terrace, St Matthew, St Marylebone - can't find any other likely addresses...

                            Dave
                            Hi Dave. You are absolutely right!

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                            • #15
                              short cut

                              Hello Colin. Well, I like to cut to the chase.

                              Cheers.
                              LC

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