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YomRippur 09-12-2016 04:51 PM

JTR = rolling stone that gathered no moss
 
One mystery of JTR is that he resided in very crowded areas and yet no one recognized nor remembered him. Perhaps we can use our everyday experience to understand this. Throughout our lives we meet countless people, and some are just more memorable than others, while some are less so. Some are so unmemorable that it is hard for you to remember them. You may meet them and talk to them on occasion, but they may not engage you in conversations at all, may not make proper eye contacts, may speak in unengaging tone, and most importantly, may not convey any emotional connection in human encounters. We call this "rolling stones that gather no moss", and JTR might have been the same way. He might not have intentionally shied away from people. But he might have failed to engage others because he lacked the social skills to do so. He might have even seemed normal instead of appearing obviously mad, which would have gained him people's attention. He was unlikely to be assertive in conversations, thus unlikely to upset anyone. Some might have even thought him harmless as a result. In short, JTR might have been unexceptional and unmemorable in every way to the point of being transparent, invisible, and ignored by others. Of course, some of us like solitude. But ironically, I believe the Ripper did not. Being transparent, invisible, and ignored by everyone might have fueled his resentment towards society. But it might also have gained him the anonymity he needed to do his deeds. Thus, we have all the ingredients of JTR: unsociable, invisible, seemingly harmless, and yet resentful, which might have led to hatred.

GUT 09-12-2016 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by YomRippur (Post 392450)
One mystery of JTR is that he resided in very crowded areas and yet no one recognized nor remembered him. Perhaps we can use our everyday experience to understand this. Throughout our lives we meet countless people, and some are just more memorable than others, while some are less so. Some are so unmemorable that it is hard for you to remember them. You may meet them and talk to them on occasion, but they may not engage you in conversations at all, may not make proper eye contacts, may speak in unengaging tone, and most importantly, may not convey any emotional connection in human encounters. We call this "rolling stones that gather no moss", and JTR might have been the same way. He might not have intentionally shied away from people. But he might have failed to engage others because he lacked the social skills to do so. He might have even seemed normal instead of appearing obviously mad, which would have gained him people's attention. He was unlikely to be assertive in conversations, thus unlikely to upset anyone. Some might have even thought him harmless as a result. In short, JTR might have been unexceptional and unmemorable in every way to the point of being transparent, invisible, and ignored by others. Of course, some of us like solitude. But ironically, I believe the Ripper did not. Being transparent, invisible, and ignored by everyone might have fueled his resentment towards society. But it might also have gained him the anonymity he needed to do his deeds. Thus, we have all the ingredients of JTR: unsociable, invisible, seemingly harmless, and yet resentful, which might have led to hatred.


Save we have no idea where he lived.

YomRippur 09-12-2016 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GUT (Post 392455)
Save we have no idea where he lived.

He probably never told that to anyone. Or perhaps he did but no one remembered, because no one cared. He was the sort of person that people didn't really pay attention to for one reason or another. There were likely warning signs, of course, but no one noticed. Some of the most heinous killers in history were the same way.

Damaso Marte 09-12-2016 08:23 PM

We do have one clue as to where the Ripper lived: the location of the apron relative to the Eddowes murder scene. He was fleeing into Whitechapel.

GUT 09-12-2016 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Damaso Marte (Post 392465)
We do have one clue as to where the Ripper lived: the location of the apron relative to the Eddowes murder scene. He was fleeing into Whitechapel.

Maybe, or smart enough to mislead, or killer didn't drop it there or....

DJA 09-12-2016 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GUT (Post 392467)
Maybea, or smart enough to mislead

That's what I reckon.

Red herring of sorts.

YomRippur 09-13-2016 09:22 AM

Having posted what I posted earlier, I'm naturally inclined to think that the killer was probably too much of a simpleton to try to outwit others, or do other clever things such as coming up with the clever moniker "Jack the Ripper", etc. The half-illiterate Goulston Street message was probably his work. The alleged medical skill was probably nonexistent. Sending out a kidney would probably be too flamboyant an act for a meek person like that. In a way, he probably realized he didn't really need to mislead others because he knew he would be ignored by others, as he had been used to that all his life.

P.S. JTR might have been someone like the character played by Elisha Cook Jr. in the film "The Maltese Falcon", a mousy, meek character with pent-up frustration, deemed harmless by others, and yet he is responsible for the most number of murders in the film!

Abby Normal 09-13-2016 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by YomRippur (Post 392483)
Having posted what I posted earlier, I'm naturally inclined to think that the killer was probably too much of a simpleton to try to outwit others, or do other clever things such as coming up with the clever moniker "Jack the Ripper", etc. The half-illiterate Goulston Street message was probably his work. The alleged medical skill was probably nonexistent. Sending out a kidney would probably be too flamboyant an act for a meek person like that. In a way, he probably realized he didn't really need to mislead others because he knew he would be ignored by others, as he had been used to that all his life.

P.S. JTR might have been someone like the character played by Elisha Cook Jr. in the film "The Maltese Falcon", a mousy, meek character with pent-up frustration, deemed harmless by others, and yet he is responsible for the most number of murders in the film!

appearing meek- perhaps. simpleton? no way.

YomRippur 09-13-2016 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Abby Normal (Post 392490)
appearing meek- perhaps. simpleton? no way.

Or rather, he might have given others the impression of being a simpleton via the way he appeared, talked, and behaved. Many heinous criminals in history had similar characteristics. A few years ago in Ohio, Ariel Castro was arrested for having kidnapped, imprisoned, and sexually molested three women for over a decade, and even beat a pregnant woman until she miscarriaged. And once again, this brutal monster looked like a mousy little man.

Abby Normal 09-13-2016 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by YomRippur (Post 392493)
Or rather, he might have given others the impression of being a simpleton via the way he appeared, talked, and behaved. Many heinous criminals in history had similar characteristics. A few years ago in Ohio, Ariel Castro was arrested for having kidnapped, imprisoned, and sexually molested three women for over a decade, and even beat a pregnant woman until she miscarriaged. And once again, this brutal monster looked like a mousy little man.

Hi yom
I might agree with that, Many of the witnesses describe him as short, but some also say and stout. Which would describe a powerfully built man. Personally I take this view as the killer must have been pretty strong too subdue the victims so quickly.

Re simpleton. Again I could definitely see he might portray himself as a simpleton to the people around him. But IMHO he must have been highly intelligent, street smart and crafty.


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