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Joshua Rogan 03-12-2017 06:39 PM

One mention wonders
 
Some witnesses seem to turn up in all the papers of the day, proudly telling their tale to every passing newsman. But there are others who make only the briefest of appearances, perhaps only in the report of one paper, sometimes not even getting their full name mentioned. Admittedly, this is usually because they had nothing unique to contribute, but still....it's nice to give these background artists in the greater drama a moment in the spotlight.
Here's some who had escaped my notice until now.

Most people know that Louis Diemschutz was steward at the socialist club in Berner Street, assisted by his wife. But according to the Daily News 2nd October, they had some help;
"Mila, the servant at the club, strongly corroborates the statement made by her mistress, and is equally convinced there were no sounds coming from the yard between 20 minutes to one and one o'clock."

In the same edition is mentioned Julius Minsky, a member of the IWEC and described as a "Police Jew". This is likely a misprint for Polish, but I prefer to think he was an undercover cop sent to spy on the goings on at the socialist club.

Echo 1st Oct
"The constable points out that it is decidedly probable that the murderer, hearing his approach, left his ghastly work unfinished, and escaped by either of the narrow courtways above referred to. The murder must have been committed expeditiously and quietly, for the persons living in the house at the back of which the body was found, the policeman and his family, and the watchman (Morris), who was cleaning the warehouse, with the assistance of his son, all agree that no sounds were heard."

Who knew? Apparently George Morris had three sons; George Jr, Edward and Albert, but which of the three was helping him clean the warehouse, and did they play any part in the night's events?

Robert 03-13-2017 04:01 AM

"In the same edition is mentioned Julius Minsky, a member of the IWEC and described as a "Police Jew". This is likely a misprint for Polish, but I prefer to think he was an undercover cop sent to spy on the goings on at the socialist club."

And when the police turned up he shouted "At last! The night they raided Minsky's."

Sam Flynn 03-13-2017 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Rogan (Post 410430)
In the same edition is mentioned Julius Minsky, a member of the IWEC and described as a "Police Jew".

Perhaps he was a cohenstable.

Joshua Rogan 03-14-2017 07:26 AM

When he asked why he had to go undercover, he was told "just because, Minsky"....which led to all sorts of problems.

Joshua Rogan 03-28-2017 05:28 PM

Lloyds Weekly 2nd Sept 1888 mentions an un-named watchman in Buck's Row.

"The watchman in Schneider's factory, just above the Perkins's, heard nothing."

Joshua Rogan 04-03-2017 05:18 AM

Echo 1st Sept
Mr. Seccombe, Dr. Llewellyn's assistant

Joshua Rogan 05-06-2017 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua Rogan (Post 410430)
Apparently George Morris had three sons; George Jr, Edward and Albert, but which of the three was helping him clean the warehouse, and did they play any part in the night's events?

Correction, George had at least 5 sons, by the 1881 census, who (assuming no more arrived or died) by 1888 were George (25), Edward (23), Albert (20), John (15) and Thomas (12).

jerryd 05-06-2017 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Rogan (Post 413801)
Correction, George had at least 5 sons, by the 1881 census, who (assuming no more arrived or died) by 1888 were George (25), Edward (23), Albert (20), John (15) and Thomas (12).

It is stuck in my mind that the son present that night was the postman. Can't remember where I read that though.

Paddy 05-06-2017 02:52 PM

- Sunday 23 September 1888 Reynolds newspaper
 
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Lloyds Weekly 2nd Sept 1888 mentions an un-named watchman in Buck's Row.
"The watchman in Schneider's factory, just above the Perkins's, heard nothing."
Not sure if this is the man "Alfred Mulshaw", a night watchman in Winthrop street Who said he heard nothing but sometimes dozed off....? Mentioned after Walter Purkess....

Pat....

Joshua Rogan 05-07-2017 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Paddy (Post 413828)
Not sure if this is the man "Alfred Mulshaw", a night watchman in Winthrop street Who said he heard nothing but sometimes dozed off....? Mentioned after Walter Purkess....

Hmm, seems a bit muddled - Mulshaw was but in the street outside the Working Lad's Institute - but you could well be right.
I thought it was in the same article, but I can't find it now so must be in another one, where there is a mention of not only the factory watchman but also of a man who looked after the board school. So equally the street could have been full of night watchmen who all saw nothing!


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