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jmenges
04-25-2016, 08:08 PM
Coming soon to listeners of Rippercast: Your Podcast on Jack the Ripper and the Whitechapel Murders...

We are very excited to be able to bring to you a multi-episode podcast extravaganza...

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Links to all of the talks from the 2016 Baltimore RipperCon Convention will be posted in this thread below.
You will be redirected to the Ripper Podcast section to your left where the talk (along with accompanying slides when available) can be streamed or downloaded.
Or you can subscribe to the podcast through the iTunes Music Store and have each talk automatically synced with your device as it is released.

The talks and roundtable discussions will be released in the order in which they took place at the Maryland Historical Society in Baltimore, April 8-10, 2016.

Stay Tuned!

:operator:

JM

jmenges
05-01-2016, 10:04 AM
The first talk from Rippercon is Mikita Brottman's 'The Life and Times of the Yorkshire Ripper'.

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Mikita Brottman a professor in the department of Humanistic Studies and the MA Program in Critical Studies at the Maryland Institute College of Art as well as a certified psychoanalyst and volunteer at the Prison Scholars Program at the Jessup Correctional Institute, which is a maximum security prison in Maryland. She is also the author of several non-fiction books and her latest work, titled the Maximum Security Book Club, will be published this June. Ms Brottman grew up in Sheffield during the time that Peter Sutcliffe was an active serial killer, and her experience as a young woman at that time and place makes for a very interesting talk on The Yorkshire Ripper.

Visit her website at mikitabrottman.com for a full list and links to all of her books.

Stream or download the talk along with the accompanying slide show here:

http://www.casebook.org/podcast/listen.html?id=126


Also available in iTunes.

Thanks for listening!

:operator:

JM

ChrisGeorge
05-01-2016, 05:35 PM
Thanks, Jonathan! We missed you at RipperCon. Our thanks to you and Robert Anderson who kindly recorded the talks at RipperCon for you to Rippercast for the world!

Janis Wilson & Chris George, Co-Organizers, RipperCon

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Mikita Brottman during her talk on the Yorkshire Ripper at RipperCon April 8-10, 2016 in France Hall at the Maryland Historical Society by Robert Anderson.

jmenges
05-09-2016, 07:30 PM
The next talk from Baltimore is ONLINE NOW!

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Download or stream from this link:

http://www.casebook.org/podcast/listen.html?id=127

Rippercast is also available for FREE subscription in the iTunes Music Store.

:operator:

JM

GUT
05-09-2016, 07:31 PM
The next talk from Baltimore is ONLINE NOW!

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Download or stream from this link:


Rippercast is also available for FREE subscription in the iTunes Music Store.

:operator:

JM

Link's missing

jmenges
05-09-2016, 07:36 PM
You're too quick GUT.
I have to post to the thread first and then finish the entry on the podcast page.
It's there now.

Enjoy!

JM

GUT
05-09-2016, 08:01 PM
You're too quick GUT.
I have to post to the thread first and then finish the entry on the podcast page.
It's there now.

Enjoy!

JM

Sorry mate.

Steadmund Brand
05-10-2016, 03:43 AM
Darn inpatient Aussies �� relax and put the shrimp on the barby and it'll be ready.....trust me...this one is worth the wait (I hope you can download the slideshow as well....really helps!!!)....such inpatients, if you weren't so damn handsome the lovely Ms. GUT would never be able to tolerate your behavior hahahah.....by the way....a gift may be coming soon to the land down under :2thumbsup:

Thanks Jonathan....as always doing a great job on the podcasts!!!

Steadmund Brand

GUT
05-10-2016, 03:50 AM
Darn inpatient Aussies �� relax and put the shrimp on the barby and it'll be ready.....trust me...this one is worth the wait (I hope you can download the slideshow as well....really helps!!!)....such inpatients, if you weren't so damn handsome the lovely Ms. GUT would never be able to tolerate your behavior hahahah.....by the way....a gift may be coming soon to the land down under :2thumbsup:

Thanks Jonathan....as always doing a great job on the podcasts!!!

Steadmund Brand

And I need your details sent you a message the other day. Mrs Gut now calls you my adopted American twin, shows everyone the photo.

ChrisGeorge
05-11-2016, 03:47 PM
Mike Hawley in action at RipperCon in Baltimore April 8-10, 2016, by Robert Anderson

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drstrange169
05-11-2016, 03:51 PM
Thanks to all involved for making this available.

Currently reading Mike's book, so I'm going to listen after I've finnished it.

GUT
05-11-2016, 04:12 PM
Thanks to all involved for making this available.

Currently reading Mike's book, so I'm going to listen after I've finnished it.

I've started it and stopped it a few times, just need to find time to sit and listen.

Shaggyrand
05-11-2016, 08:40 PM
I've started it and stopped it a few times, just need to find time to sit and listen.

Same here. Have yet to get through more than the first 10 minutes. Though I have a nice long car trip fast approaching, might save it for that. If my companions have a problem with that- they can suck it and walk... Maybe try holding onto the luggage rack.

GUT
05-11-2016, 09:15 PM
Same here. Have yet to get through more than the first 10 minutes. Though I have a nice long car trip fast approaching, might save it for that. If my companions have a problem with that- they can suck it and walk... Maybe try holding onto the luggage rack.

I think I'll have a bit of time this weekend.

jmenges
05-12-2016, 05:32 AM
Be sure to grab the pdf with the slides. Mike put a lot of effort into them and it paid off.

JM

ChrisGeorge
05-12-2016, 08:59 AM
Be sure to grab the pdf with the slides. Mike put a lot of effort into them and it paid off.

JM

Thanks, Jonathan. Glad to hear that you are impressed.

Best regards

Chris

mklhawley
05-12-2016, 09:25 AM
Hi all,

Your comments are much appreciate! More to come.

Sincerely,

Mike

Elamarna
05-12-2016, 11:31 AM
Can I just say the podcast of Mike's talks was very good.
As someone who has attended more paper presentations at work than is good for most people, it was outstanding when used with the slides.


Steve

ChrisGeorge
05-13-2016, 07:37 AM
Can I just say the podcast of Mike's talks was very good.
As someone who has attended more paper presentations at work than is good for most people, it was outstanding when used with the slides.


Steve

Great. Thanks, Steve! Glad you liked Mike's presentation! We will have more such high quality presentations at RipperCon in 2018, so stay tuned.

Cheers

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Abby Normal
05-13-2016, 01:26 PM
Great. Thanks, Steve! Glad you liked Mike's presentation! We will have more such high quality presentations at RipperCon in 2018, so stay tuned.

Cheers

Chris http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3553/3480259031_abf7f5973d_o.gif

hi Chris
will there be one for the LISK talk?

jmenges
05-13-2016, 04:45 PM
hi Chris
will there be one for the LISK talk?

Hi, I'm not Chris but I'll answer that by saying "yes" we will be releasing Team Syphilis' talk on the Long Island Serial Killer, along with the slide show.

Unless some kind of disaster strikes.

JM

Errata
05-13-2016, 05:48 PM
Hi, I'm not Chris but I'll answer that by saying "yes" we will be releasing Team Syphilis' talk on the Long Island Serial Killer, along with the slide show.

Unless some kind of disaster strikes.

JM

Team Syphilis? I know "the Avengers" is taken, but come on...

jmenges
05-13-2016, 06:45 PM
It's a pretty fitting name for this particular research group. They've been collaborating for a couple of years.

See Ripperologist Magazine #149 'Fermat's Last Theorem and Annie Chapman's Missing Children' for their latest offering.

JM

RockySullivan
05-14-2016, 11:18 AM
Hi, I'm not Chris but I'll answer that by saying "yes" we will be releasing Team Syphilis' talk on the Long Island Serial Killer, along with the slide show.

Unless some kind of disaster strikes.

JM

Hopefully before we all drop dead :zzz:

jmenges
05-14-2016, 02:56 PM
Hopefully before we all drop dead :zzz:

I really don't have to release it at all, come to think of it.

JM

Tom_Wescott
05-14-2016, 03:24 PM
I really don't have to release it at all, come to think of it.

JM

Mic drop.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

RockySullivan
05-14-2016, 04:52 PM
I really don't have to release it at all, come to think of it.

JM

Ok so don't if you don't want to. Since there is a killer on the loose right now with 20+ bodies I was eager to hear what Anderson had to say.

jmenges
05-14-2016, 05:03 PM
There were 10 talks and 3 panel discussions at Baltimore which ALL deserve to be heard and promoted, which is why there is a one week gap between each talk. You are entitled to your opinion (that everything other than the LISK talk puts you to sleep, and you may be dead before you hear the only talk you are interested in) but truthfully such unappreciative comments do not encourage me to rush out and release the LISK talk only so it pleases RockySullivan.

Next up will be the Suspect Panel Discussion with Martin Fido, Robert Anderson and Michael Hawley.

Stay Tuned,

JM

GUT
05-14-2016, 05:15 PM
There were 10 talks and 3 panel discussions at Baltimore which ALL deserve to be heard and promoted, which is why there is a one week gap between each talk. You are entitled to your opinion (that everything other than the LISK talk puts you to sleep, and you may be dead before you hear the only talk you are interested in) but truthfully such unappreciative comments do not encourage me to rush out and release the LISK talk only so it pleases RockySullivan.

Next up will be the Suspect Panel Discussion with Martin Fido, Robert Anderson and Michael Hawley.

Stay Tuned,

JM


Another one I am looking forward to.

Elamarna
05-14-2016, 05:23 PM
There were 10 talks and 3 panel discussions at Baltimore which ALL deserve to be heard and promoted, which is why there is a one week gap between each talk. You are entitled to your opinion (that everything other than the LISK talk puts you to sleep, and you may be dead before you hear the only talk you are interested in) but truthfully such unappreciative comments do not encourage me to rush out and release the LISK talk only so it pleases RockySullivan.

Next up will be the Suspect Panel Discussion with Martin Fido, Robert Anderson and Michael Hawley.

Stay Tuned,

JM


Hi Jonathan,

many thanks for all the great work in getting these talks online for those of us who were unable to be there.

And a general thanks for all the podcasts

Steve

RockySullivan
05-14-2016, 06:24 PM
There were 10 talks and 3 panel discussions at Baltimore which ALL deserve to be heard and promoted, which is why there is a one week gap between each talk. You are entitled to your opinion (that everything other than the LISK talk puts you to sleep, and you may be dead before you hear the only talk you are interested in) but truthfully such unappreciative comments do not encourage me to rush out and release the LISK talk only so it pleases RockySullivan.

Next up will be the Suspect Panel Discussion with Martin Fido, Robert Anderson and Michael Hawley.

Stay Tuned,

JM

It was joke, it's only been 2 or 3 weeks. Yes I've been waiting for the LISK talk to be posted in hopes that might shed new light on a case that is very dark. I probably don't need to hold my breath but all the same I am just in case there is one little missing piece of the puzzle in there somewhere

ChrisGeorge
05-15-2016, 04:36 AM
Hi Jonathan,

many thanks for all the great work in getting these talks online for those of us who were unable to be there.

And a general thanks for all the podcasts

Steve

Hi Jonathan

As co-organizer of RipperCon I also want to mention again how much we appreciate your fine work on bringing our talks to a wider public. Also in regard to Mike's talk, I was amazed at the clarity of the sound. Impressive. Keep up the good work!

Cheers

Chris

Steadmund Brand
05-16-2016, 03:49 AM
Hello Jonathan...

As someone who was at the conference I would also like to thank you for the Bang-Up job you are doing....the sound is amazing (also a HUGE thanks to Robert Anderson for recording everything!!!)...

It's great to re-listen to these talks, to really take in more info...especially the Saturday talks as my brain still may have been swimming in Vodka Gimlets from Friday night (yes Chris..Robert, Rob, Mike, Martin, et al...you know what I mean ��)....only wish you could have been there Jonathan, you would have had a blast!! As would all of you reading this I'm sure.

Steadmund Brand

Steadmund Brand
05-16-2016, 03:55 AM
P.S...with regard to the Michael Hawley talk....gotta love the shout out to Tonawanda that Mike gave....always nice to have your birth town mentioned in a lecture, especially when it's so small it's almost invisible....for those who may not know, Tonawanda is where the Erie canal ends....not Buffalo like in the song....quaint little city on the Erie Canal and the mighty Niagara River...should really post some pictures of the end of the canal...maybe next time I am there I will take some.

Steadmund Brand

jmenges
05-16-2016, 04:29 PM
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Available now to stream or download:

http://www.casebook.org/podcast/listen.html?id=128

:operator:

JM

Elamarna
05-16-2016, 04:33 PM
Thank you Jonathan

Steve

GUT
05-16-2016, 04:36 PM
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Available now to stream or download:

http://www.casebook.org/podcast/listen.html?id=128

:operator:

JM

I haven't finished listening to Mike yet, give me a break.

GUT
05-16-2016, 06:25 PM
Just now finished listening to Mike's talk.

Damn I wish I'd been there.

mklhawley
05-16-2016, 07:48 PM
Just now finished listening to Mike's talk.

Damn I wish I'd been there.

Oh, you missed a couple spots, so you'll have to listen to my whole talk again. Just sayin'.

Mike

GUT
05-16-2016, 07:54 PM
Oh, you missed a couple spots, so you'll have to listen to my whole talk again. Just sayin'.

Mike

Ok sent you a pm

ChrisGeorge
05-17-2016, 07:10 PM
Note the two recent podcasts of talks at RipperCon in Baltimore, April 8-10, information posted above. Also watch for a report on RipperCon written by Brian Young upcoming in the Whitechapel Journal due out soon!

GUT
05-17-2016, 07:38 PM
Note the two recent podcasts of talks at RipperCon in Baltimore, April 8-10, information posted above. Also watch for a report on RipperCon written by Brian Young upcoming in the Whitechapel Journal due out soon!

Can Brian actually write? Unlike his adopted twin. :rofl:

ChrisGeorge
05-18-2016, 03:19 AM
Brian has written an engaging account of going to RipperCon in Baltimore. Here's a sample:

Baltimore, Baseball and Boogeymen: My trip to RipperCon, Jack the RipperTrue Crime Conference, April 810
By Brian Young

Oh really A Jack the Ripper conference.how..interesting. Those were last words said to me by the woman sitting next to me on the plane the entire way to Baltimore. But I didnt mind. I was excited to be on my way from Buffalo, New York, to my very first Ripper conference! Besides, I was used to that reaction, as Im sure we all are, when our interest in Jack the Ripper comes up.

For those of you who may think RipperCon would be nothing more than all you ever needed to know about Jack but were afraid to ask Im here to set the record straight. Sure you will get your fix of the Ripper, but there was much more to it than that.

Watch for Brian Young's entire report on RipperCon upcoming in the June issue of the Whitechapel Journal!

Steadmund Brand
05-18-2016, 05:01 AM
Can Brian actually write? Unlike his adopted twin. :rofl:

He can... but alas, he can't throw a boomerang or play a didgeridoo....we have so much to teach each other my adopted twin on the other side of the world!!!! :)

Steadmund Brand

GUT
05-18-2016, 01:17 PM
He can... but alas, he can't throw a boomerang or play a didgeridoo....we have so much to teach each other my adopted twin on the other side of the world!!!! :)

Steadmund Brand

Can throw a Boomerang, but the darn thing keeps coming back,meant play a didg, had me nose broken too often.

mklhawley
05-18-2016, 07:02 PM
Brian has written an engaging account of going to RipperCon in Baltimore. Here's a sample:

Baltimore, Baseball and Boogeymen: My trip to RipperCon, Jack the RipperTrue Crime Conference, April 810
By Brian Young

Oh really A Jack the Ripper conference.how..interesting. Those were last words said to me by the woman sitting next to me on the plane the entire way to Baltimore. But I didnt mind. I was excited to be on my way from Buffalo, New York, to my very first Ripper conference! Besides, I was used to that reaction, as Im sure we all are, when our interest in Jack the Ripper comes up.

For those of you who may think RipperCon would be nothing more than all you ever needed to know about Jack but were afraid to ask Im here to set the record straight. Sure you will get your fix of the Ripper, but there was much more to it than that.

Watch for Brian Young's entire report on RipperCon upcoming in the June issue of the Whitechapel Journal!

Perfect person to report on the weekend! Great job, Brian!

Sincerely,
Mike

Steadmund Brand
05-19-2016, 03:32 AM
Thanks Mike...I tried!!

Was so much fun listening to the panel discussion again....for those who haven't it's a must....thank you again Jonathan, great job putting them out...and special thank you to Robert Anderson....see it did work...and sound great!!

Steadmund Brand

ChrisGeorge
05-20-2016, 05:04 PM
Thanks Mike...I tried!!

Was so much fun listening to the panel discussion again....for those who haven't it's a must....thank you again Jonathan, great job putting them out...and special thank you to Robert Anderson....see it did work...and sound great!!

Steadmund Brand

Here's the link to the panel discussion:

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Available now to stream or download courtesy of Jonathan Menges and Mr. Anderson:

http://www.casebook.org/podcast/listen.html?id=128

:pleased:

GUT
05-21-2016, 06:32 PM
Just listed to the panel discussion, interesting.

Mike tells me I have to give his another listen.

jmenges
05-22-2016, 05:43 PM
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Team Syphilis' Baltimore talk on the Long Island Serial Killer is now available to stream or download here:

http://www.casebook.org/podcast/listen.html?id=129

Thanks for listening to this fascinating talk and extra bonus conversation about Lisk with Prof. Charles Tumosa.

:operator:

JM

RockySullivan
05-25-2016, 05:36 PM
Great job on the LISK talk Mr. Anderson! I was really impressed with how much info you covered in such a short time. My only regrets are that you didn't discuss the drifter who is suspect number 1 in my opinion due to some of the press reports from 2011. I believe this individual is the link between Shannan and the Gilgo 4. Also you made the frequently repeated error of not mentioning the male victims. News article on the case will always ignore these bodies but they are the most significant. What's interesting is that the killer dumped the dismembered torso of Jane Doe 2000 but dumped her male "friend" without dismembering him very nearby. Very interesting. Here are some reports for those interested in the male victims. There are MANY but I am just posting here about John Doe 2000 and 2003:

NIGHTMARE ON L.I.E. LATEST NUDE BODY HINTS AT SERIAL SLAY
By Lisa Pulitzer November 11, 2003 | 5:00am
A mushroom hunter yesterday led police to a nude body buried under a tangle of leaves and branches off the Long Island Expressway not far from a heavily wooded area where the bodies of two nude, headless and handless women were found dumped.

Police, who believe there may be a serial killer at work in the area, said it was too soon to tell if theres a connection between yesterdays grisly find in Manorville and the two unsolved decapitation murders one discovered last July, the other in November 2000.

At this point theres no way of knowing if theres a link, said Detective Lt. Jack Fitzpatrick, commander of the Suffolk homicide squad.

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Although the mushroom hunter, who asked to remain anonymous, first spotted the body a week and a half ago, he didnt tell police about his discovery until yesterday.

He told The Post he was too terrified, but finally spoke up because he was having nightmares.

He led cops to the corpse in dense woods just west of the Edwards Avenue exit of the LIE, yesterday morning.

Investigators left the body undisturbed, under a pile of leaves, branches and brush, while they combed the area for clues.

They said they would not be able to determine whether it belonged to a man or woman and whether it was intact until they finished their crime-scene search.

The mushroom hunter told The Post he thought the victim was a girl because the feet were small. He said he also didnt see any fingers on the body, but thought they may have been buried under the brush.

Fitzpatrick said it was not clear whether the body had been buried by naturally falling foliage and tree limbs, or by someone trying to hide a murder.

The body was found 400 yards south of the LIE, near Toppings Path about three miles east of the woods where the bodies of the two decapitated women had been dumped.

Their remains were located a mile apart, just north of the LIE, near Halsey Manor Road.

Because both were nude, headless and handless, and had been similarly mutilated, police believe they may have been victims of a serial killer.

Investigators also have also been checking for links between the two brutal slayings and a 1997 murder in Hempstead Lake State Park in which a woman, whose hands, feet and head had been chopped off, was dumped in woods near the Southern State Parkway.

The victim in the most recent of the three murders was described as white or Hispanic, 20 to 30 years of age, 5-foot-5, between 110 and 125 pounds, with brown hair.

She had a black and red tattoo of an eagle on the right side of her back that her killer had attempted to gouge out and wore a purple and silver decal on a toe. Her body was discovered on July 26 by a woman walking a dog.

In woods less than a mile away, the partially decomposed body of another woman was found in November 2000.

The victim was described as white, 35 to 40 years old, between 5-foot-1 and 5-foot-5, with brown hair.

HIGHWAY TO HELL

November 2002 in Manorville

In woods north of Long Island Expressway, near Halsey Manor Road

Partially decomposed nude body of unidentified decapitated woman, her arms severed, found; believed to have been dumped a month earlier.

July 26, 2003 in Manorville

In woods north of Long Island Expressway, less than a mile south of November 2002 dumped murder victim

Nude body of unidentified decapitated woman, her arms severed, found.

(for artist: this is east of other Manorville sites, just before LIE exit 71/Edwards Av

Nov. 10, 2003 in Manorville

In woods south of Long Island Expressway, near Toppings Path, three miles east of earlier Manorville crime scenes

Nude body found by mushroom hunter under leaves and branches.

http://www.doenetwork.org/media/news18.html

Two bodies. Found two miles away from each other two years ago. No one knows who they were or where they came from.

On November 19th, 2000, hunters came across the decapitated body of a female that had been placed in garbage bags and left in a wooded area near Halsey-Manor Road in Manorville. Four days later and only a couple of miles away, a young male corpse was also discovered by hunters, approximately one-and-a-half miles east of the Shirley exit (68) on the Long Island Expressway. The man’s body, described as white or Hispanic, five-and-a-half to six feet tall, 130-150 pounds, with a surgical staple imbedded in his chin, was disrobed of all clothing save a pair of Gap boxer shorts. He was later revealed to have been a victim of strangulation. Both bodies were likely there for some time, particularly the female, who police believe was murdered as early as that September. Just over two years later, the victims still remain unidentified, and thus, the case has not even come close to being solved.

“Unfortunately, the investigation sort of starts and stops with the discovery of the bodies and the subsequent analysis—if there’s no way of identifying who that individual is,” says Detective/Lieutenant Jack Fitzpatrick, commanding officer for the homicide squad of the Suffolk County Police Department. “Some identification of who these people are will certainly give us an opportunity to backtrack and figure out what happened and why. Without identification, there’s not a lot to go on.”

While murder is not a common occurrence in the primarily tranquil territory surrounding Shirley and Manorville, the heavily wooded area near the highway could have made the ideal dumping grounds for someone who committed the crime outside of the region. “If you looked at this stretch of road, you might say, ‘Nobody will ever go there,’” says Fitzpatrick.

Fitzpatrick and the homicide department are not considering the possibility of a connection between the cases, including the chance of a serial killer roaming the South Shore.

The question then remains: What is being considered? In cases like this, while one would like to cling to the idea that someone out there is missing a loved one who disappeared without a trace, there are many instances of missing runaways, hitchhikers and even prostitutes who have no discernible ties to any families or friends. So when the search for them is silenced amongst possible family and the community, who is going to act as their voice?

At this point, the Suffolk County Police Department has continued to put out “Crimestopper” alerts and is offering a cash reward of up to $1,000 for any information that leads to an arrest (800-220-TIPS). Beyond that, they have essentially thrown up their hands (although Fitzpatrick is still withholding the image of a tattoo located on the female victim for verification purposes if they ever get a call through Crimestoppers). When asked if they have sought assistance through the Doe Network, a volunteer organization dedicated to unidentified victims’ cases, Fitzpatrick said, “We do that on occasion, but I think there’s less possibility here of success. It’s a time-consuming process. Usually, we just send them to the FBI.”

Todd Matthews, media director for the Doe Network, seemed a bit skeptical of this assertion, stating, “If the police want something left unexplained, then that’s fine. [But] we work with them. We could have it done this afternoon.” As long as the police provide a reconstructed image or picture of the victim, the Network’s Project EDAN (Everyone Deserves a Name) can create free facial reconstructions by professional forensic artists who donate their services to this cause (private investigators, medical examiners, journalists and police officers also donate their time). These images can be found on their website, www.doenetwork.org, which offers a worldwide forum to expand the search for anonymous victims. The Doe Network has had a hand in identifying three previously unidentified victims and has a database of more than 700 potential matches.

Granted, in instances such as the two in question, especially when a decapitation is involved (as with the female), that may be easier said than done. But within the cavalcade of cases that come into any police department, there is bound to be a constant re-prioritizing, with older, yet-unsolved cases probably finding their way to the bottom of the pile quick.

This is fairly alarming, considering that New York has the third-largest number of unidentified remains next to California and Florida. In fact, Matthews admitted that the Doe Network has “really not gotten a good response from New York,” adding that, “they’re telling me these cases are impossible, but they’re not. If they don’t have the resources, we’ll do it out of our pockets.”

Fantomas
06-08-2016, 11:51 PM
Fascinating podcast recordings from this event - as ever! However most intriguing was Mikita Brottman's presentation on The Yorkshire Ripper. Being a Glasgow boy of an age with Mikita, I was born "North of the Wall" in the 1970s but still recall Sutcliffe's crimes gripping Scotland.

I holidayed in Morecambe in the early eighties and recall the waxworks to which Mikita referred. New information that chilled yet intrigued me.

Part of me wanted to rail against Brottman's feminist history view that all working class Northern men were embryonic Yorkshire rippers and could tip over into his level of violence. True there was a pervasive mysoginy in the popular culture of the age but this was I feel a sweeping and damning presumption that dismisses the many caring and genteel wirking class men I grew up with. Was it not working class northern UK trade unions who championed initial stages of equal pay and conditions for women in late 1970s and early 1980s UK - prompted in part by reports of women being caught shoplifting and prostituting themselves spiked in the mid 1970s. Was it not in fact a female middle/upper-class championing female Prime Minister who further hobbled the working class and police and almost thwarted the catching of Sutcliffe - however indirectly?

To err slightly in the "conspiracy theory" camp, recent revelations that Jekyll and Hyde UK TV host Jimmy Savile was interviewed about Irene Anderson's murder, had casts made of his teeth and the fact Irene Anderson was found a stone's throw from Savile's apartment block begin to put him in the frame with Sutcliffe. In fact some theorists postulate that Sutcliffe was a (to double reference conspiracy theory) latter day Netley to Savile's nouveau riche, decadent sado-masochist psychotic. I would put it to Brottman that in fact the Yorkshire Ripper murders while a grotesque reflection of "clip her round the ear and sh*g her" working class male stereotype of the 1970s, the murders might more clearly fit the profile of a woman-hating eccentric with time and money to spare. Not to let Sutcliffe off the hook but Brottman is right (and is it Rumbelow who argues the West Yorkshire police were not incompetent at her lecture?) when delineating the WY Police incompetence.

Savile was very good friends with the hierarchy of the West Yorkshire police - how did the WY police suddenly find Sutcliffe after years of bumbling callousness and laccadaisical investigation? Were they thrown the accomplice of the true culprit?

So, I end with as provocative a presumption as Brottman made about the uk Northern working class men of the 1970s and 1980s. However her speech - owing as it did an acknowledged debt to Gordon Burns (another UK TV host - misdirecting for a pal?) was enthralling and I now seek out her Maximum Security book club publication.

Trevor Marriott
06-09-2016, 01:01 AM
how did the WY police suddenly find Sutcliffe after years of bumbling callousness and laccadaisical investigation? Were they thrown the accomplice of the true culprit?

Sutcliffe was arrested because two uniform police officers just happened to be in the right place at the right time, and checked a vehicle parked in a layby in a secluded area, which turned out to be on false number plates, and contained Sutciffe and an intended victim. The murder weapon, his hammer was found later when police went back to the layby location.

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Fantomas
06-09-2016, 02:23 AM
Interesting. The Yorkshire Ripper murders are not too far in time from the Battle of Orgreave where police revelled in being the stipendiary army of the state and fought Brottman's presumed "brute working class men". It is not a great leap to consider Savile, his friendships to WY constabulary and the trace links all have to a case that was bungled and bumbling for years, the reputations and names of victims rode roughshod over that had a sudden epiphany of Holmesian proportions at a chance encounter. I accept that this is the reported narrative but I can't help finding it problematic.

jmenges
06-09-2016, 04:37 AM
Not to let Sutcliffe off the hook but Brottman is right (and is it Rumbelow who argues the West Yorkshire police were not incompetent at her lecture?) when delineating the WY Police incompetence.

I believe you mean Martin Fido.

Thanks for your comments. I'm not sure I'm following how the 'conspiracy theory' that involves Saville is supposed to work? Not unlike the Netley/Royal/Masonic theory, it faces a problem when the victims were attacked and murdered at or near the spot where they were found with no evidence that any of them were discovered at secondary crime scene (dumped).

All the best,

JM

ChrisGeorge
06-10-2016, 10:34 AM
Part of me wanted to rail against Brottman's feminist history view that all working class Northern men were embryonic Yorkshire rippers and could tip over into his level of violence. True there was a pervasive mysoginy in the popular culture of the age but this was I feel a sweeping and damning presumption that dismisses the many caring and genteel wirking class men I grew up with. Was it not working class northern UK trade unions who championed initial stages of equal pay and conditions for women in late 1970s and early 1980s UK - prompted in part by reports of women being caught shoplifting and prostituting themselves spiked in the mid 1970s. Was it not in fact a female middle/upper-class championing female Prime Minister who further hobbled the working class and police and almost thwarted the catching of Sutcliffe - however indirectly?

Hello Fantomas

I was in the audience in Baltimore and having grown up in Liverpool in the Sixties (before re-emigrating to the U.S. in 1968), I am doubtful about Ms. Brottman's implication that all working class males wanted to knock their womenfolk around. Yes, of course, that was true of some brutes, but not, I think, true of all working class men in England or Yorkshire at the time of the Yorkshire Ripper murders.

Best regards

Chris

Fantomas
06-10-2016, 11:08 AM
Thankyou JM and Chris. Maybe a thorough investigation of just why Savile is often mentioned in the same breath as Sutcliffe, why Savile apparently befriended Sutcliffe in Broadmoor plus why he was implicated in the Glasgow Bible John killings is required.

jmenges
06-12-2016, 12:47 PM
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Now available to stream or download from the following link:

http://www.casebook.org/podcast/listen.html?id=131

Thank you for listening!

:operator:

JM

ChrisGeorge
06-14-2016, 05:41 AM
Hi Jonathan

Great work once again, Jonathan. Thanks.

All the best

Chris

Mayerling
06-14-2016, 06:42 AM
Excellent discussion on Conan Doyle, Holmes, and Jack the Ripper. I'm only sorry I was unable to attend it.

Conan Doyle, like Holmes, was a student of crime, frequently writing stories that had traces of actual crimes in them (particularly the Holmes' stories, but including others). He even wrote some essays about actual crimes, like the murders of George Townley in 1863 and of William Godfrey Youngman in 1860. His interpretations were questionable sometimes, but they were always interesting.

Jeff

jmenges
06-14-2016, 12:21 PM
I thought I had read somewhere that Doyle was a signatory on the appeal(or made a public pronouncement) on the Ameer Ben Ali case, but for the life of me I couldn't locate a source. Does that sound familiar to anyone?

And thanks for the 'thanks', Chris. It my pleasure to release these. I saw that you've also shared the show over at Howard's site and I appreciate that as well.

All the best,

JM

Pcdunn
06-14-2016, 12:40 PM
I thought I had read somewhere that Doyle was a signatory on the appeal(or made a public pronouncement) on the Ameer Ben Ali case, but for the life of me I couldn't locate a source. Does that sound familiar to anyone?
JM

http://britishheritage.com/sir-arthur-conan-doyle-and-the-case-of-george-edalji/
I saw a recent drama about Doyle investigating on behalf of this young man, though he is not Ameer Ben Ali. Still, he is a young man of foreign extraction living in England, and Doyle did assist him.

I do know, of course, that Ameer Ben Ali was the man apparently arrested wrongly in the Carrie Brown murder. When I searched for his name with Arthur Conan Doyle, I found only this:

https://books.google.com/books?id=1Oc_CgAAQBAJ&pg=PT123&lpg=PT123&dq=ameer+ben+ali+arthur+conan+doyle&source=bl&ots=Edm12wkHz9&sig=JG9aJT5DmNc79H1jGDsmO4Uu-Dc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjutp3zoqjNAhVLXlIKHShOBwEQ6AEIHjAA#v=on epage&q=ameer%20ben%20ali%20arthur%20conan%20doyle&f=false

A novel called Holmes and Watson: An American Adventure by David Ruffle-- this excerpt from the e-book has Holmes discussing the Carrie Brown case with Watson, and includes his opinions on the unfortunate Ameer Ben Ali.

Mayerling
06-14-2016, 02:03 PM
http://britishheritage.com/sir-arthur-conan-doyle-and-the-case-of-george-edalji/
I saw a recent drama about Doyle investigating on behalf of this young man, though he is not Ameer Ben Ali. Still, he is a young man of foreign extraction living in England, and Doyle did assist him.

I do know, of course, that Ameer Ben Ali was the man apparently arrested wrongly in the Carrie Brown murder. When I searched for his name with Arthur Conan Doyle, I found only this:

https://books.google.com/books?id=1Oc_CgAAQBAJ&pg=PT123&lpg=PT123&dq=ameer+ben+ali+arthur+conan+doyle&source=bl&ots=Edm12wkHz9&sig=JG9aJT5DmNc79H1jGDsmO4Uu-Dc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjutp3zoqjNAhVLXlIKHShOBwEQ6AEIHjAA#v=on epage&q=ameer%20ben%20ali%20arthur%20conan%20doyle&f=false

A novel called Holmes and Watson: An American Adventure by David Ruffle-- this excerpt from the e-book has Holmes discussing the Carrie Brown case with Watson, and includes his opinions on the unfortunate Ameer Ben Ali.

Hi Pat,

The drama you saw (I believe) was based on the George Edalji Case (the "Great Wyrlie" Cattle Mutilation Case of 1905), but it was fictionalized to become a series of murders as well.

Jeff

jmenges
06-14-2016, 02:39 PM
I know that Doyle and Dr. Joseph Bell both lobbied on the behalf of Albert Patrick, the convicted murderer of William Rice, who finally won his freedom (deservedly or not) in 1912. This case was at the time considered "one of America's most remarkable murder cases" but is practically forgotten today.

http://murderpedia.org/male.P/p/patrick-albert.htm

JM

Mayerling
06-14-2016, 06:27 PM
I know that Doyle and Dr. Joseph Bell both lobbied on the behalf of Albert Patrick, the convicted murderer of William Rice, who finally won his freedom (deservedly or not) in 1912. This case was at the time considered "one of America's most remarkable murder cases" but is practically forgotten today.

http://murderpedia.org/male.P/p/patrick-albert.htm

JM

There is a complete account of the murder of Rice (probably by Patrick) written about fifteen years ago by the Canadian Judge Martin Freidman, who also wrote the book "The Trials of Israel Lipski" in the 1980s. Rice, by the way, was the founder of Rice University in Texas (in fact the murder plot was to help disqualify a will setting up the endowment for the university). Rice was a wealthy speculator in cotton future.

Jeff

Pcdunn
06-14-2016, 08:23 PM
Hi Pat,

The drama you saw (I believe) was based on the George Edalji Case (the "Great Wyrlie" Cattle Mutilation Case of 1905), but it was fictionalized to become a series of murders as well.

Jeff

Hi, Jeff,

Thanks for the information. I enjoyed that drama, but guessed it was rather dressed up for television.

Arthur Conan Doyle and Harry Houdini are currently teamed up in a Fox TV show called "Houdini & Doyle" which I've also been enjoying, despite some uneven episodes. Based loosely on their real-life acquaintance, the program gets its conflict from the skepticism of the escapologist and the open-minded attitude of the author to the "supernatural". Don't expect too much attention to be paid to history, just go with it.

Shaggyrand
06-14-2016, 10:18 PM
Arthur Conan Doyle and Harry Houdini are currently teamed up in a Fox TV show called "Houdini & Doyle" which I've also been enjoying, despite some uneven episodes. Based loosely on their real-life acquaintance, the program gets its conflict from the skepticism of the escapologist and the open-minded attitude of the author to the "supernatural". Don't expect too much attention to be paid to history, just go with it.

Show would be so much better of they had cast a different Houdini... And hired some better writers. Guy who plays Doyle is solid though.

Ozzy
06-20-2016, 04:33 PM
Thanks again Jonathan for the Rippercast.
I did notice that the URL for the pdf for the Doyle podcast has been typed with a space (%20) before "mp3". I use Firefox browser and it gives me a "Not Found".

Here's your URL/link
http://www.rippercast.com/%20mp3/Doyle.pdf

With the space removed the URL resolves correctly.
http://www.rippercast.com/mp3/Doyle.pdf

Thanks also to Janis Wilson and Christopher T. George.

jmenges
06-20-2016, 04:41 PM
Thanks a lot, Ozzy!

I fixed it.

:)

JM

ChrisGeorge
06-21-2016, 06:10 AM
Hi Pat,

The drama you saw (I believe) was based on the George Edalji Case (the "Great Wyrlie" Cattle Mutilation Case of 1905), but it was fictionalized to become a series of murders as well.

Jeff

Hi Jeff and Pat --

Here is an article excerpted from John Dickson Carr's The Life of Sir Conan Doyle (Harper and Brothers, 1949) in which the author covers the Great Wyrlie Cattle Mutilation Case that we discuss briefly during the podcast. Seemingly the only time Doyle himself had active involvement in solving a true-crime "Ripper" case to the extent of helping to secure the release from prison of the accused man, George Edalji. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Edalji.

From the Boston Daily Globe, February 13, 1949.

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jmenges
07-03-2016, 09:44 AM
Rippercast brings you Prof. Charles Tumosa's presentation from Rippercon-Baltimore entitled 'The Forensic Time Machine-Looking Backwards'. Tumosa discusses modern day forensic document examination and how those techniques could (or could not) be applied to such items as the letters from 'Jack the Ripper' and the Maybrick Diary. He also touches on Patricia Cornwell's work on her preferred suspect, the artist Walter Sickert, during the Q&A portion of his talk.

http://village.photos/images/user/01a0d81a-ca22-4807-bba4-b8b6dc5ba963/8e96c41a-73ee-483a-8cc7-fb676d5d4733.jpg


FREE to stream or download from the following link:
http://www.casebook.org/podcast/listen.html?id=132

Thank you for listening!

:operator:

JM

GUT
07-03-2016, 01:31 PM
Thanks JM.

Mayerling
07-03-2016, 01:36 PM
Hi Jeff and Pat --

Here is an article excerpted from John Dickson Carr's The Life of Sir Conan Doyle (Harper and Brothers, 1949) in which the author covers the Great Wyrlie Cattle Mutilation Case that we discuss briefly during the podcast. Seemingly the only time Doyle himself had active involvement in solving a true-crime "Ripper" case to the extent of helping to secure the release from prison of the accused man, George Edalji. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Edalji.

From the Boston Daily Globe, February 13, 1949.

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Hi Chris,

Dickson Carr, by calling the person "Peter Hudson" was following a sense of care regarding not leaving himself up for a slander suit (similar to Jonathan Goodman not naming Richard Gordon Parry as his suspect for the murder of Julia Wallace, in his 1969 book on that killing, because Parry was still alive). Conan Doyle never named the perpetrator he fingered - his name was Royden Sharp, and his brother was John Sharp. If you can get a copy of Peter Costello's "The Real World of Sherlock Holmes; the True Crimes Investigated by Arthur Conan Doyle" (New York: Carroll & Graf, 1991), there is a good account of the Edalji Affair in Chapter IX (p. 70 - 93). While Mr. Costello supports Doyle's work on the case, he mentions that in recent years there has been a small fly in the ointment - the behavior of George Edalji's brother (also a solicitor) Horace Edalji, who apparently kept supplying information to the authorities that undercut George's claims of innocence. This behavior seems rather odd, and suggests a family squabble of some sort might be tied up to the background.

The effect of the Edalji Case in helping to set up the Office of Criminal Appeals (I think that is the name of it), it had some of the impetus for that reform, but the Edalji Case was timed with the more notorious Adolf Beck/William Thompson Affair in the British law courts from 1903 to 1907, wherein Mr Beck kept being arrested for breach of promise, and thefts actually committed by Thompson. Both men happened to bear reamarkably similar appearances. The only physical difference really was that Thompson was circumsized (something none of his female robbery victims ever had an opportunity to notice - one wonders if it would have been brought at a trial). Edalji did not get any money for his travails, but he was readmitted to practice law as a solicitor. Beck did get money for his prison sentence.

Given the story of the Edalji Case, one wonders if Sharp and his brother happened, when they were young boys, to read a story called "Silver Blaize" by Arthur Conan Doyle. One of the best of the Sherlock Holmes stories (and found in the second collection, "The Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes") it is about a plot to destroy a champion race horse by laming it with a knife set to cut it's tendons. Instead the horse demonstrates it can protect itself.

Oddly enough, while the Edalji Case did not involve any murders, the follow-up big case that Conan Doyle got involved in was the murder of Marion Gilchrist in Glasgow, Scotland in 1908, for which a Jewish German named Oscar Slater was arrested, tried, and convicted. Eventually Doyle and others, including Lt. Trench of the Glasgow Police, and William Roughead (the criminal historian and Scottish law court official) managed to get the release of Slater and compensation for him. However, Mrs. Gilchrist was battered to death (probably by an associate of a relative of her's), not slashed and cut up.

Jeff

ChrisGeorge
07-04-2016, 12:52 AM
Hi Jeff

All good stuff. Many thanks for your correctives as to how the Edalji Case went down and Conan Doyle's involvement -- or should we say, very selective involvement?

Best regards

Chris

Steadmund Brand
07-05-2016, 11:19 AM
Thank you again Jonathan, was great to be able to hear this once again, I was lucky enough to be there in person, and couldn't wait till this came out as a Rippercast....excellent work!!

Steadmund Brand