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Phil Carter
04-20-2010, 11:22 PM
Hello all,

Apologies to all if this has been seen before. Have just come across this website (below), and was struck by the appearance of a drawing, supposedly of Kosminski.

http://listverse.com/2009/02/08/top-10-interesting-jack-the-ripper-suspects/


The site states... Contributor: JFrater

Does anyone know where this drawing originates from?

best wishes

Phil

Hunter
04-21-2010, 03:54 AM
Never seen that picture before, Phil... but he sure has that 'evil eye' doesn't he? LOL. Looks a lot older than his years too.

Nice hair though... wonder who does it?

Steven Russell
04-21-2010, 04:08 AM
Hello, Phil,

I've never seen it before either but it makes a refreshing change from the one so beloved of documentary makers - the clean shaven fellow in the wide brimmed hat being eyed suspiciously by the Vigilance Committe (the bloke, not the hat).

Regards,

Steve.

jmenges
04-21-2010, 05:35 AM
It looks like it might be from the same source as the illustrations of Mary Kelly and Nichols that appear in the 1993 map by Daryl Sullivan and Andrew Cockell 'Jack's London'. When they did not have IPN illustrations to base their illustrations on, they made them up. Same yellow background, same style of drawing. I don't own the map, but I'd bet that was the source and if so, its not to be trusted as authentic, since the MJK illustration used in that map was actually a drawing of Andrew Cockell's girlfreind.

Monty owns this map and might be able to confirm or deny the above "Kosminski" illustration comes from 'Jacks London'.

JM

The Good Michael
04-21-2010, 07:00 AM
I think that was a drawing of Chapman, and not Kosminski.

Mike

Phil Carter
04-21-2010, 12:08 PM
Hello JM, all,

Thanks for the feedback.... here is a little more.

The same illustration, or drawing is found on 10 other websites...
that makes a total of 11. The majority are European.

http://gaveta-da-sis.blogspot.com/2008/12/jack-o-estripador-jack-ripper.html
(includes a photograph of Isreal Schwartz)(Spanish)

http://www.accomodata.co.uk/rippersuspects.html
(on a white background)

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=486896788
(together with a photo of John Netley)

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=82671

http://www.findestars.de/encyclopedia_Jack_the_Ripper_de.html
(Spanish)

http://www.microsiervos.com/archivo/conspiranoia/jack-destripador-revelaciones.html
(White background, Spanish)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Aaron_Kosminski.jpg
(website updated 2009)(German)

http://www.serial-killer.it/serialkiller.aspx?aree_id=1&sottoaree_id=26&contenuti_id=103&componenti_cat_id=25&lang=ita
(Italian)

http://the-ripper.e-monsite.com/categorie,les-suspects,4207284.html
(French, c/w an interesting photograph of James Maybrick)

http://www.wikilib.com/wiki?title=%E9%96%8B%E8%86%9B%E6%89%8B%E5%82%91%E5 %85%8B&variant=zh-cn
(Japenese, c/w a photograph of Sir John Williams)

best wishes

Phil

The Good Michael
04-21-2010, 12:57 PM
Phil,

Those websites are pretty new. That picture has been around longer. It isn't Kosminski, that's for sure.

Mike

Phil Carter
04-21-2010, 01:12 PM
Hello Mike,

Indeed.
I haven't for a minute thought it is (As you saw in my title post, I put a question mark against the name) but the origin was of interest to me, and indeed it's age. JM proposes the origin from 1993. Perhaps Neil can confirm this.
What it does show is the rapidity of the spreading of the "word" via the internet, far faster than the repetition of mistakes in books down the years.
If it ISN'T, as has been suggested, a made-up drawing of Kosminski, one wonders just who the person actually is.... which again asks the question where was it's origin?

best wishes

Phil

Chris Scott
04-21-2010, 03:26 PM
If I'm not mistaken that alleged photo of Israel Schwartz is in fact a young George Bernard Shaw!
The "Kosminski" image which I have usualy seen on a sepia background is by the same artist who did sketches of the victims but I do not know the artists's name or the original source of these drawings.
The alleged John Netley photo was, I believe, a family photo of Joseph Gorman's.

Phil Carter
04-21-2010, 05:45 PM
Hello Chris,

Shaw eh? Gets around that fellow!:laugh4:
Re the "Kosminski" drawing, do you mean an artist from the times of the murders, or more recent as suggested (1993)?

best wishes and many thanks

Phil

Chris Scott
04-21-2010, 07:12 PM
Hi Phill
Much more recent but I don't know date
The sketches (victims and suspects) all look to be by the same artist and look as though they were commissioned for a book/article/website - though which I dont know
Below is the drawing of Mary Kelly by what I take to be the same artist
Chris

Chris Scott
04-21-2010, 07:20 PM
And here is the one of Mary Ann Nichols:

jmenges
04-22-2010, 12:37 AM
Those two above images are the ones I was referring to from the map Jacks London. They were invented by the creators of the map.

JM

Chris Scott
04-22-2010, 12:43 AM
Hi Jonathan
Those are the ones!
I couldnt remember the source
I have to agree with an earlier post in that Im sure Ive read somewhere that this "Kosminksi" pic is in fact an artist's impression of Chapman/Klosowski
Chris