Victim solitary

[sdreid]

Hi all,

The similarities in the C5 are pretty much what make them the C5 but what is unique about each of these victims? There are a lot of things but here's one for each victim to start things off.

Nichols-The only victim who was still alive when found (perhaps)
Chapman-The only victim who was murdered in the light of dawn (perhaps)
Stride-The only victim to not suffer abdominal mutilation
Eddowes-The only victim who wasn't a prostitute (perhaps)
Kelly-The only victim killed indoors

Please add more.

[Jon Guy]

Chapman was the only one who didn`t have a bonnet.

Kelly was the only one not to have had a child

Nichols was the only one who didn`t have a ( on/off) partner.

[Mr Poster]

Hi ho

Stride was the only one not drunk, not sick nor in a tricky vulnerable position.

p

[sdreid]

Yes, there are more uniquities when you stop and think.

Nichols-Only victim killed in an area not enclosed on at least 3 sides
Chapman-Only victim heard exchanging words with JtR (perhaps)
Stride-Only foreign born victim
Eddowes-Only victim claiming to know the killer (perhaps)
Kelly-Only victim under 40 (if she told her real age)

[Tom_Wescott]

Nichols-The only victim who was still alive when found (perhaps) Nonsense, she was dead as a doornail.
Chapman-The only victim who was murdered in the light of dawn (perhaps) True Nuff
Stride-The only victim to not suffer abdominal mutilation True Nuff
Eddowes-The only victim who wasn't a prostitute (perhaps) Of course she was a prostitute. This has been discussed in death and the inevitable logical conclusion is that of course she was a prostitute. Kelly-The only victim killed indoors True Nuff.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[sdreid]

Hi Tom,

There was a claim of a slight pulse when Nichols was found. That doesn't mean that wasn't a mistaken conclusion but I don't remember reading that about any other victim.

[Tom_Wescott]

Not a pulse, Stan. Robert Paul thought for a moment he felt a movement in her chest as he was reaching across her. Cross disagreed. My guess is that was either wishful thinking on Paul's part or Cross inadvertently nudged her as Paul was reaching across.

In the case of Stride we have a witness talking about the blood still flowing from her neck. While it's probably Stride was already dead, there's actually more of a chance she was still technically alive when found than there is with Nichols. Personally, I imagine both were quite dead.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[sdreid]

Yes Tom, he thought she was breathing, I misremembered that but it was still unique. I was going to correct that but I was too slow at it.:)

[Celesta]

So maybe Kate was a prostitute. How about she was the only one, as far as we know, to be a hop-picker? That's unique. It also illustrates that she was not a full time hooker. She was also the only jailed just prior to her death.

[sdreid]

I put the most provocative assertions first of course.:D

As for Eddowes being a prostitute, it was never proven as far as I know. If she was, I wonder why she was flopping around on the sidewalk pretending to be a fire engine instead of soliciting. That might be apocryphal but the cops didn't bring her in for hooking.

[Celesta]

I put the most provocative assertions first of course.:D

As for Eddowes being a prostitute, it was never proven as far as I know. If she was, I wonder why she was flopping around on the sidewalk pretending to be a fire engine instead of soliciting. That might be apocryphal but the cops didn't bring her in for hooking.


Courageous you! Yes, I think that some people still question her being a prostitute. I made some posts re the fire engine story and was told that it was a myth. It's an appealing one, so I keep hoping that it turns out not to be one! :)

[Sam Flynn]

As for Eddowes being a prostitute, it was never proven as far as I know. If she was, I wonder why she was flopping around on the sidewalk pretending to be a fire enginePerhaps that was her way of saying "You can ring my bell", Stan ;)

[Dan Norder]

Considering her lack of funds, being arrested by the police for being so drunk to cause a public nuisance (whether fire engine impersonation was part of it or not) sounds to me more like evidence that she had been successfully soliciting already than that she was too busy to be hooking. Booze wasn't free.

[Mr Poster]

Hi ho

I will aslo contend (As is my wont) that Polly was not only the only one with a pulse, not only the only one with a sign of breathing apparently but was also the only one of the C5 who's eyes opened after being found.

As evidenced by witness testimony.

p

[sdreid]

Hi all,

Nichols may well not have still been alive when found but it is certainly not impossible. She was found quite quickly after the attack and, if her head was positioned right, passages could have lined up to still get some blood to he brain or hold it there. She could have still breathed though the opening in her throat as well if not by normal means. No doubt she would have been in a very grave or moribund state if she was not yet extinct but there is still that report that there wasn't with the other victims. I wonder if they had more light if they might have seen her blink. For her sake, I hope she went as quickly as possible.:(

[Celesta]

Considering her lack of funds, being arrested by the police for being so drunk to cause a public nuisance (whether fire engine impersonation was part of it or not) sounds to me more like evidence that she had been successfully soliciting already than that she was too busy to be hooking. Booze wasn't free.


She clearly did something to attract attention to herself that day, and it could easily have been something as mundane as soliciting. She could also have been 'creating a nuisance' in almost any way, really, depending on how sloshed she was. Apparently, she was pretty sloshed. She found the money for booze, and it might not all have come from pawning things.

Still, Dan, people like to cut her some slack. I guess that's why the romanticizing of the victims, that some people see, emerges sometimes.

[sdreid]

Maybe she just found men who'd buy her drinks. Those sorts are out every night.

[Celesta]

Maybe she just found men who'd buy her drinks. Those sorts are out every night.


This is true. It could have happened this way. In that case, maybe the ruckus she's reputed to have raised was because he quit wanting to buy her drinks and she put up a fuss about that.

[Celesta]

I put the most provocative assertions first of course.:D

As for Eddowes being a prostitute, it was never proven as far as I know. If she was, I wonder why she was flopping around on the sidewalk pretending to be a fire engine instead of soliciting. That might be apocryphal but the cops didn't bring her in for hooking.


Stride was the only one to be killed south of Whitechapel Road.

[sdreid]

Nichols-The only victim found by two men (strangely, none of the victims were found by women)

Chapman-The only victim who was indoors with the killer and then went outdoors to be killed (apparently)

Stride-The only victim to have, along with her husband, operated a business establishment

Eddowes-The only victim to have police ties (possibly)

Kelly-The only victim for whom there is some doubt about her identity

[sdreid]

Nichols-The only victim who was married when slain (as far as can be proven)

Chapman-The only victim who was robbed by her killer (that is, if he took her rings)

Stride-The only multilingual victim

Eddowes-The only victim killed within City Police jurisdiction

Kelly-The only victim who had a permanent residence

[perrymason]

Nichols: By far the furthest East site, and the only victim that we have testimony was "discovered" twice.

Chapman: The only victim with a complete uterus taken.

Stride: The only victim that we have medical testimony for that indicates the killer had time left to commit more mutilations but didnt.

Eddowes: The only victim that uses two variations of the subsequent Ripper victims name, and one of her address, in her last 24 hours.

Kelly: The only victim that didnt have to pay for her bed the night she dies.

Cheers Stan.

[sdreid]

Nichols-The only victim not last seen with a man near the murder scene

Chapman-The only victim killed on a Saturday

Stride-The only victim with a close relative on the police force (Aunt Liz to PC Walter Stride)

Eddowes-The only victim with pattern mutilation (The Vs)

Kelly-The only victim not fully clothed

[Robert]

Nichols - the only victim whose mutilations weren't noticed at the time
Chapman - the only victim who would probably have died soon anyway
Stride - the only victim who we know had VD (discounting McKenzie)
Eddowes - the only victim who'd just been released from police custody
Kelly - the only victim who may have been related to her landlord

[j.r-ahde]

Hello you all!

Polly Nicholls - the most overshadowed victim of the C5
Annie Chapman - the only victim with remaining photos while alive
Elizabeth Stride - the only Scandinavian originating victim
Catherine Eddowes - the most sharp-tongued victim
Mary Jane Kelly - the only victim, who managed to hide her backround

All the best
Jukka

[Robert]

And none of them with links to the Beatles.:hiya:

[sdreid]

Nichols-The only victim where decapitation appeared to be the main focus of the killer

Chapman-The only victim who was apparently searched by the killer as if he was looking for something

Stride-The only victim found holding something in her hand

Eddowes-The only victim first discovered by a policeman

Kelly-The only victim who'd actually heard the name Jack the Ripper

[Barnaby]

Outside of perhaps Stride, and unless you espouse the position that the murders were all committed by different individuals, why are we focusing on differences?

[DVV]

Outside of perhaps Stride, and unless you espouse the position that the murders were all committed by different individuals, why are we focusing on differences?

Because of the subject of this thread, no ?

[sdreid]

Outside of perhaps Stride, and unless you espouse the position that the murders were all committed by different individuals, why are we focusing on differences?

Hi Barnaby,

Because it might give us a different perspective. It seems a lot of the focus before has been about similarities. Since Chapman appeared to have been searched, perhaps it could mean that he knew her, for example. It's also a thought exercise for "fun".:hiya:

[sdreid]

Surprisingly, Stride is the victim of whom I'm having the most trouble finding unique circumstances. I think I've discovered another argument why she must have been Ripper prey.

[sdreid]

Nichols-The only victim who essentially announced that she was going out to prostitute herself shortly before meeting her killer.

Chapman-The only victim where the violence of the attack was actually heard. (apparently)

Stride-The only victim who was seen fighting with a man who could soon have become her murderer.

Eddowes-The only victim whose killer left a trail from the murder scene.

Kelly-The only victim who was mutilated below the torso area.

[sdreid]

Nichols - The only victim who had a man show some apparent love for her after her death.

Chapman - The only victim where Jack left some of his property with the corpse. (Perhaps that is, the coins)

Stride - The only victim not left on her back.

Eddowes - The only victim who'd been outside of the city recently.

Kelly - The only victim who was not a Protestant.